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With Mother Love Bone,
you had some success,

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and there was a tragedy there.

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And what made you decide

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not to continue with Mother Love Bone

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and to form something
totally different?

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Because it was old at that time,

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and we wanted to do something new.

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So this is what
we're doing now, new and fresh.

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And then they saw me in a bra,
and that was it.

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And they said,
''We've got to have him.''

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That was before his front
tooth got knocked out.

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And l have a weather report

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for you people,
and it's not a good one.

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KCMU. Seattle's rockin' report.

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What is it that drives

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thousands of young angelic-faced boys

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in our calm, tree-lined suburbs

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to spend their allowances
on Marshall Amplifiers?

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Why is this happening?

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Truth be told, there's always
been a great scene in Seattle.

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lf you want some crisp, aggressive,

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and emotional rock-and-roll,
then get on down to The Off Ramp

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on Friday, July 5th.

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Wowwee!

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You haven't seen anything yet.

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My name is Cameron Crowe,
and l was a rock journalist

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when l first moved to Seattle
in the mid-'80s.

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l became aware of a whole
scene of musicians

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that really worked together to create

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their own world of influences

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and bands and community.

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l immediately realized

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how much this was different
from the places l grew up in

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and the music l listened to
in Southern California.

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This was music that came from guys

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that stayed indoors a lot.

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They had a lot of time to play
and a lot of time to listen.

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And they listened to everything,

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hard rock, hair metal, glam,
R&B, soul, disco, blues,

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all of it cuisinarted together
into this majestic mix

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of great, melodic, hard rock.

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We'd go and see the shows
that got put on by The U-Men,

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and we'd go see these guys,

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and these guys would come see us.

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Sometimes we would open
for these guys.

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So it was like us, we play.

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Two guys who l met early on

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were Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament.

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They'd been in a well-known
local band, Green River,

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and had an obvious bond
that drew a lot of people to them.

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On any given night in Seattle,

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it wasn't hard to run into
Stone and Jeff

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going out
to listen to some live music.

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Let's do
a little more of an intimate thing.

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Sit with me. Sit with me, my child.

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Those people over there,

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police officers. Wave at them.

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How you doing?

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This is not MTV, but it very well

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could be at any time.

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Sarcastic police officers. Excellent.

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We're supposed to get in
to see The Cult tonight,

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but so far, nobody's showed up.

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We finally got into the show.

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We were outside for a long time
and they wouldn't let us in

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but we got these things,
backstage passes.

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How come you didn't come out
and give me my pass earlier?

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l was outside for so long.

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We were outside for a long time,

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and here is my witnesses right here.

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Because you never believe me.

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You never believe me, Stone.
You never fucking believe me.

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l knew when l met Stone,

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l couldn't imagine
hanging out with the guy.

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Mark Arm introduced me to him,

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and within five to 30 seconds,
l think he wanted to punch me.

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l had recently been introduced

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into the exciting world of sarcasm,

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and so that, to me,
was the greatest joy

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anyone could ever have.

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Out here...

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Rock people of all sorts,

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Susan Silver, Chris Cornell,
Jeff Ament.

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We had a bit of
a chip on our shoulder.

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We always felt, l think,
like, if it came from New York

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or Chicago or Minneapolis or Athens,

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it was probably better,
but there also was

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this attitude of
somehow we will persevere.

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lt was very different

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from Los Angeles'
or New York's band scenes.

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There were tens of groups in Seattle,

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but they all knew each other,
and everybody was talking about

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Jeff and Stone's new band,
Mother Love Bone,

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and their amazing
charismatic front man.

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His name was Andy Wood.

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l want the world to know
that Mother Love Bone is coming

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to take over the world,
a plethora of delights,

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a fruit salad compote of delights.

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He was a fantastic entertainer.
People loved him.

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l mean, people loved to see him
do his thing.

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He was very funny.
He would do something

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like go to The Central Tavern
when there was 25 people there.

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He'd play it like it was a coliseum.

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''To all you people in the back!''

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And there's, like, two...
There's the guy at the door.

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He was a rock star. He knew it.

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And something about that...
l'll speak for everyone...

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Made us believe that we were, too.

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l want to get
on an arena tour with some band.

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Who cares? Warrant, for that matter.

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What the hell?
Go on tour with Warrant.

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Just so we can play arenas.

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That's the kind of crowd l like.

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There's an easy crowd.

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You can say anything.

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You can say,
''Your mother smells bad, people!''

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And they'll just go, ''Yeah! Yeah!''

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There are certain people
you just know that you love,

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and you'll do anything for them.

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You just wanted him
to be a rock star.

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You just saw it and were like,
''l'm on your team.

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''l want to be anywhere near you.''

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We're going down to L.A.
on Monday to record an album.

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Do you think you're
the band of the '90s?

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Do you think you're gonna be
one of the forerunners?

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l think so. l hope so.

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l mean,
l thought l always would be involved

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in the band of the '90s.

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So if we're not the band of the '90s,

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l'm gonna fire my band
and get a new one,

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and then they'll be
the band of the '90s.

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'Cause you know what was weird?

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Like, l was listening
to the bottom end of all the songs,

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'cause l was kind of worried
about Stardog, you know,

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and the bottom end of it...

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The first guy that l called

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to see if he wanted to be
my roommate was Stone Gossard.

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He was living at home, l think,
and he answered the phone,

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and he's like,

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''Yeah, no, l'm good.
l don't really want to...

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''l don't really want to change
my living situation right now.''

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And he was at home, so l thought
that was a little weird.

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But l thought,
''Whatever. That's great.''

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And he said,
''But Andy just got out of rehab,

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''and he might need a place.''

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And l thought,
''Well, that would be cool.''

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You know, l didn't really know him,

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but l thought,
that would be interesting.

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He seems like an interesting guy.
lt would be cool.

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l called Andy up, and he's like,
''Sure. l'm coming over.''

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Chris and Andy
had a very deep relationship.

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l know that both of them had 4-tracks

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set up in their bedrooms,

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and they would each try
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and play it for the other guy.

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He just had a freedom.

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He didn't edit anything that he did,
anything that he wrote.

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He didn't care. He just charged
through the creative process

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without a care in the world,
and l was the opposite,

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overanalyzing, and...

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lt was just
a really exciting creative time.

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Thank you so much.

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As long as l've known the guy,

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there's always been different times

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where he wasn't comfortable
with himself,

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and his using drugs
was a product of that, too.

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lf you know any addicts,
you know that, you know,

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just because they quit
for three months doesn't mean shit,

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and he was someone who definitely had

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a certain tragic flaw.

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That's where his greatness came from.

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We knew that
he was trying to be sober,

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and we knew that he was really...

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That he couldn't just sustain...

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You know, you can't just...

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You can't...

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You can't really be a junkie

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and be super-productive and, like...

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l mean, maybe somebody can,

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but he wasn't going to be able
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That morning, like, March 19th, 1990,

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there was, like,
five messages from Xana,

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Andy's girlfriend at the time,

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saying... You know, just hysterical.

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We all got in a taxi

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and went up to Harborview,

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and he was on life support
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and it was a fucking trip.

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l mean, it was, like,
the worst, most horrible...

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lt was confusing, you know.

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lt was, like,
''Andy O.D.'ed and he's not dead,

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''but he's not gonna live,
but he's not dead,

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''and you've got to come now.''

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Whenever people would start
to get into drugs after that,

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l'd always... l always thought, like,

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l wish l had a picture of Andy
when he was in the hospital,

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because it was... lt was so horrible.

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He was... They kept him alive
for a couple of days.

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l think mostly just so
family and friends

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could say good-bye
or whatever, but...

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lt was... lt was horrible.

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lt's difficult to articulate it,

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but, it's...

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You know, up to that point,

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l think life was really good for us

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as a...
Just a group of musicians in a scene,

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making music.

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lt just... You know,
the world was sort of our oyster,

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and we had support,
we supported each other.

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And he was kind of like
this beam of light

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sort of above it all,

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and to see him hooked up to machines,

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that was the...
l think the death of the innocence

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of the scene.

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lt wasn't later
when people surmised that...

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That Kurt blowing his head off
was the end of the innocence.

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lt didn't... lt was that.

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lt was walking into that room.

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So at this point, l think everyone

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really wants to take a break,
for one,

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and just kind of let things happen
naturally to a certain extent

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to see where we want to go with it,
you know.

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We're not in any huge rush

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to be rock stars at this point.

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And Andy's attitudes and personality

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were such an integral part
of Mother Love Bone

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that, you know, there's just...

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You wouldn't be able to replace him.

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lt's just not,
in our minds at least, it just...

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Fiddle with it.

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What? You just lost all sound?

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Check.

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Hello. Hello. Hello.

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ln some ways, l was just thinking

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about this
in the last couple of days,

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that l can relate to
the Clippers and the Nets

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because... l've kind of...

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l feel like my musical career
has kind of been that way,

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in that every time that it seems
like it's starting to take off,

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somebody goes down with an injury

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or the coach gets fired
or something happens.

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l remember Jeff saying,

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''Maybe l'm not supposed to
be doing this.

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''You know, that was my shot,
and it's gone.''

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l think if my dad and l hadn't had

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such a contentious relationship
at that point,

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l probably would have left Seattle.

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l never felt like giving up.

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You know, l think l was writing
songs days later probably,

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you know, playing my guitar
and still just going,

251
00:12:29,596 --> 00:12:31,463
''l love playing my guitar.''

252
00:12:31,464 --> 00:12:33,165
l ended up playing

253
00:12:33,166 --> 00:12:36,165
with a really good friend of mine
in town named Mike McCready.

254
00:12:39,471 --> 00:12:41,272
We got together,
and we started playing

255
00:12:41,273 --> 00:12:43,608
in his parents' attic.

256
00:12:43,609 --> 00:12:46,243
That's when l had the conversation,

257
00:12:46,244 --> 00:12:47,611
''We've got to get Jeff Ament
in the band.''

258
00:12:47,612 --> 00:12:49,146
Jeff was playing
with some other folks

259
00:12:49,147 --> 00:12:51,081
and l think having a good time
doing that,

260
00:12:51,082 --> 00:12:53,916
and my first instinct was like,
''l don't know.''

261
00:12:53,917 --> 00:12:55,618
l remember him just saying,
''Fuck Jeff Ament,''

262
00:12:55,619 --> 00:12:57,620
or something like that,
and l was kind of shocked.

263
00:12:57,621 --> 00:12:59,154
Like, ''Dude, that's your guy.

264
00:12:59,155 --> 00:13:01,055
''You've been with this guy forever.''

265
00:13:01,056 --> 00:13:02,957
But Mike was like,
''No, you've got to.''

266
00:13:02,958 --> 00:13:05,793
And l was like, ''Okay.''

267
00:13:05,794 --> 00:13:08,793
And then Jeff was there,
and l was like, ''Yes.''

268
00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:10,330
We went in and did a demo

269
00:13:10,331 --> 00:13:12,166
pretty quickly after that
with Matt Cameron.

270
00:13:12,167 --> 00:13:13,934
And l was like,
''What are you guys gonna do with it?''

271
00:13:13,935 --> 00:13:16,934
And they were like, ''We're
just trying to get a singer.''

272
00:13:17,337 --> 00:13:19,639
l was working a security job
in San Diego.

273
00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,340
l was just, like, writing music
in my living room

274
00:13:21,341 --> 00:13:23,175
for the longest time, you know.

275
00:13:23,176 --> 00:13:25,510
This instrumental tape,
it migrated to me,

276
00:13:25,511 --> 00:13:28,511
then it really started
bringing out some emotions

277
00:13:28,648 --> 00:13:29,847
that l hadn't touched on in a while.

278
00:13:29,848 --> 00:13:32,483
lt just...
this natural thing came out,

279
00:13:32,484 --> 00:13:34,185
and all l did was record it.

280
00:13:34,186 --> 00:13:36,353
l surfed in P.B.
one morning after work

281
00:13:36,354 --> 00:13:38,655
and went and recorded it,
like, literally

282
00:13:38,656 --> 00:13:40,657
with the sand still on my feet
and stuff

283
00:13:40,658 --> 00:13:43,658
and just sent it up that day.

284
00:13:55,304 --> 00:13:58,304
This is where Jeff Ament...
His apartment was.

285
00:14:01,876 --> 00:14:04,876
This is the place where l came over
after he called me

286
00:14:06,514 --> 00:14:09,513
and said, ''l got this demo from...
Back from Ed,

287
00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:13,219
''back from Eddie,

288
00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:15,254
''and you should come over
and check it out.

289
00:14:15,255 --> 00:14:17,822
''lt's good.''

290
00:14:17,823 --> 00:14:20,658
lt was a voice on a tape
that blew my mind.

291
00:14:20,659 --> 00:14:23,658
lt was kind of,
''Who is this? ls this real?''

292
00:14:24,028 --> 00:14:25,562
l really remember thinking that,

293
00:14:25,563 --> 00:14:28,563
like, ''ls this a real guy?''

294
00:14:29,234 --> 00:14:31,534
''Who is this guy?''

295
00:14:31,535 --> 00:14:34,535
Here, in fact, is the Momma Son tape.

296
00:14:35,505 --> 00:14:37,039
This is it, huh?

297
00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,039
That is the tape.

298
00:14:40,776 --> 00:14:42,244
Crazy.

299
00:14:42,245 --> 00:14:44,246
l remember listening to music.

300
00:14:44,247 --> 00:14:46,480
l remember thinking about his voice.

301
00:14:46,481 --> 00:14:48,882
l heard a person in there,
like a real person.

302
00:14:48,883 --> 00:14:51,719
l didn't hear a person trying
to sound like another person.

303
00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,719
l heard a guy. l hadn't met him,

304
00:14:55,623 --> 00:14:56,889
but he's in there.

305
00:14:56,890 --> 00:14:58,691
And lookit. lt has...

306
00:14:58,692 --> 00:15:00,260
There's my phone number on it.

307
00:15:00,261 --> 00:15:01,594
l'll call the number later

308
00:15:01,595 --> 00:15:04,594
and see if l can find a younger you.

309
00:15:05,031 --> 00:15:07,065
Tell him to be careful.

310
00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:10,065
Hold on. Hold on, my friend.

311
00:15:10,902 --> 00:15:13,902
Hi. l'm Eddie Vedder.

312
00:15:14,439 --> 00:15:17,438
ln Seattle, l feel like
l'm kind of the new kid, and...

313
00:15:20,611 --> 00:15:23,611
l'll be a new kid for a while.

314
00:15:25,282 --> 00:15:27,750
We flew Ed up,
and we hung out for about a week

315
00:15:27,751 --> 00:15:29,618
and worked on these songs

316
00:15:29,619 --> 00:15:31,954
in the basement of
Galleria Potatohead.

317
00:15:31,955 --> 00:15:33,955
lt's just nice to walk in that room,

318
00:15:33,956 --> 00:15:36,291
and you smell raw materials,
you smell paint.

319
00:15:36,292 --> 00:15:38,293
There's this whole feeling of,
like, creativity.

320
00:15:38,294 --> 00:15:39,761
You hear the pound of your footsteps

321
00:15:39,762 --> 00:15:41,295
as you go down this basement,

322
00:15:41,296 --> 00:15:44,296
and you just go in and light it up.

323
00:15:45,667 --> 00:15:47,867
l remember right before he got
on the plane to come down,

324
00:15:47,868 --> 00:15:49,935
he said, ''When l get there,
l want you to pick me up,

325
00:15:49,936 --> 00:15:51,704
''and l want to go straight
to the practice studio

326
00:15:51,705 --> 00:15:53,306
''and l don't want to fuck around.

327
00:15:53,307 --> 00:15:55,308
''l just want to plug in
the instruments and get at it.''

328
00:15:55,309 --> 00:15:57,776
The music that sprouted
right off the bat

329
00:15:57,777 --> 00:16:00,312
was pretty heartfelt and deep,
and before we knew it,

330
00:16:00,313 --> 00:16:02,480
we all spent five days rehearsing.

331
00:16:02,481 --> 00:16:05,480
The sixth day,
we played a fucking show.

332
00:16:06,651 --> 00:16:09,486
We thought it was just insane
that we were playing a show

333
00:16:09,487 --> 00:16:12,486
after being together
for five or six days, yeah. Totally.

334
00:16:58,996 --> 00:17:00,964
Let's talk about the show
at The Moore.

335
00:17:00,965 --> 00:17:03,965
The hidden Eddie Vedder.
Where was he?

336
00:17:03,968 --> 00:17:06,967
He was frightened. He was terrified.

337
00:17:14,977 --> 00:17:17,712
lt was a bit hard for me
at the beginning,

338
00:17:17,713 --> 00:17:19,813
coming up and being part

339
00:17:19,814 --> 00:17:21,715
of a different place
and a different scene,

340
00:17:21,716 --> 00:17:23,517
and it wasn't just a neutral zone.

341
00:17:23,518 --> 00:17:26,518
lt was their zone.

342
00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:34,193
He was really coming from
a different place

343
00:17:34,194 --> 00:17:37,193
that l didn't...
l didn't fully understand.

344
00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:40,230
And l felt like he's good,

345
00:17:40,533 --> 00:17:43,234
and then once l met him
and saw how personable he was

346
00:17:43,235 --> 00:17:46,235
and, like, excited and not fucked-up

347
00:17:47,038 --> 00:17:49,039
and you know, just like a guy that

348
00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,241
we sent him music,

349
00:17:50,242 --> 00:17:52,041
and literally, like, two weeks later,
we had music back.

350
00:17:52,042 --> 00:17:53,610
And that it wasn't Mother Love Bone.

351
00:17:53,611 --> 00:17:55,044
That was big.

352
00:17:55,045 --> 00:17:56,746
You know, we had gotten a few tapes,

353
00:17:56,747 --> 00:17:58,213
and they were all, like,
Andy kind of tribute things,

354
00:17:58,214 --> 00:18:01,214
and it was all like whoa...

355
00:18:01,985 --> 00:18:04,985
l think it took me years
to understand Eddie.

356
00:18:08,123 --> 00:18:11,123
My dad... He passed away

357
00:18:11,226 --> 00:18:13,827
before l knew he was my dad, right?

358
00:18:13,828 --> 00:18:16,062
So l grew up with this dad
l thought was my dad,

359
00:18:16,063 --> 00:18:18,765
and then l found out later
that he wasn't

360
00:18:18,766 --> 00:18:21,434
and that the guy who was my dad

361
00:18:21,435 --> 00:18:24,435
had already passed, like,
a few years earlier, man.

362
00:18:31,477 --> 00:18:32,911
There's only two chords to this song.

363
00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:35,912
lt'll probably be really boring
on an acoustic.

364
00:18:36,414 --> 00:18:38,782
You know, looking back,
l realize, like,

365
00:18:38,783 --> 00:18:41,251
we all got together in that room
at that time,

366
00:18:41,252 --> 00:18:44,251
and you know,
l was still thinking about stuff

367
00:18:45,456 --> 00:18:47,790
with, like,
my dad and loss and all that,

368
00:18:47,791 --> 00:18:50,092
and then
what they were thinking about,

369
00:18:50,093 --> 00:18:53,092
having been through the situation
with Andy and everything, so...

370
00:18:53,596 --> 00:18:55,263
ln ways we were strangers,

371
00:18:55,264 --> 00:18:57,466
but we were coming from
a similar place.

372
00:18:57,467 --> 00:19:00,466
And all that kind of came out
in the first batch of songs.

373
00:19:12,313 --> 00:19:14,581
Release was kind of a drone jam

374
00:19:14,582 --> 00:19:17,581
that we were messing around with
in the basement

375
00:19:17,650 --> 00:19:19,485
the first week that Ed came up,

376
00:19:19,486 --> 00:19:21,119
and it was one of those songs

377
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,054
that he just started singing
over the top of it,

378
00:19:23,055 --> 00:19:26,055
and these words came out of him.

379
00:20:10,196 --> 00:20:13,196
l remember the first time
that we played that song,

380
00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:14,866
right at the end of it, l remember

381
00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:17,234
he sort of ran away
and ran around the corner.

382
00:20:17,235 --> 00:20:19,703
l was thinking about my dad,

383
00:20:19,704 --> 00:20:22,704
and then afterwards,
it got me all tore up,

384
00:20:24,408 --> 00:20:26,543
and l went in the little hallway,

385
00:20:26,544 --> 00:20:29,544
and then Jeff came out
and said, you know, ''You okay?''

386
00:20:42,558 --> 00:20:44,792
So this one here,

387
00:20:44,793 --> 00:20:47,761
this is, l don't know
if you've ever seen this.

388
00:20:47,762 --> 00:20:49,596
This is my dad.

389
00:20:49,597 --> 00:20:52,032
l met him a few times,

390
00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:55,032
but he was just, like, a friend
of the family or something.

391
00:20:55,802 --> 00:20:57,603
Edward Louis Severson lll.

392
00:20:57,604 --> 00:21:00,604
When l was born, that was my name.

393
00:21:01,041 --> 00:21:02,907
So he kind of...
He's up there for me.

394
00:21:02,908 --> 00:21:05,577
Like, he's up in the ether somewhere.

395
00:21:05,578 --> 00:21:08,578
l feel him sometimes.

396
00:22:33,221 --> 00:22:35,688
The camaraderie and
the healthy competition part

397
00:22:35,689 --> 00:22:38,658
l found later was unusual,

398
00:22:38,659 --> 00:22:40,292
and it was Johnny Ramone
that actually

399
00:22:40,293 --> 00:22:42,460
pointed that out to me later,

400
00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:44,896
talking about, l think,
you know, the friendship

401
00:22:44,897 --> 00:22:46,965
you saw between Pearl Jam
and Soundgarden, for example,

402
00:22:46,966 --> 00:22:48,633
and saying,
''l've never seen that before.

403
00:22:48,634 --> 00:22:50,300
''New York wasn't like that.
We hate each other.

404
00:22:50,301 --> 00:22:52,002
''We would screw each other up
at every turn.

405
00:22:52,003 --> 00:22:53,904
''lf you could, you would
mess the other band up.''

406
00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:56,905
The best thing about it is,
l think, that...

407
00:22:58,008 --> 00:23:01,008
You learn from each other,
you know, and you...

408
00:23:01,011 --> 00:23:02,612
You're inspired by each other.

409
00:23:02,613 --> 00:23:05,612
For me,
Temple of the Dog grew out of that.

410
00:23:08,251 --> 00:23:11,251
After Andy passed,
Chris just wrote these songs.

411
00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:14,488
We were going to record it with,
you know,

412
00:23:14,489 --> 00:23:17,489
the surviving members of
Mother Love Bone.

413
00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:46,683
lt was a fun record
that no one had any expectations for,

414
00:23:46,684 --> 00:23:48,585
so nobody worried about it,
and that made it

415
00:23:48,586 --> 00:23:51,187
feel very fresh
from beginning to end.

416
00:23:51,188 --> 00:23:52,988
For him to write songs

417
00:23:52,989 --> 00:23:55,989
and then have the idea
of sharing those songs

418
00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:59,392
with Jeff and l was just, like,
another generous gesture

419
00:24:00,129 --> 00:24:02,731
that said, ''l'm not only gonna
help you guys with this record,

420
00:24:02,732 --> 00:24:04,733
''but l'm gonna even ask
your new singer,

421
00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:06,900
''who he just is kind of
a shy, quiet guy,

422
00:24:06,901 --> 00:24:08,902
''because l haven't really
heard his voice yet.

423
00:24:08,903 --> 00:24:10,738
''l kind of saw you guys live,

424
00:24:10,739 --> 00:24:13,738
''and you know, maybe he can sing.
l'm not sure.''

425
00:24:21,914 --> 00:24:23,482
And then you hear it, and you go,

426
00:24:23,483 --> 00:24:26,483
''Our guy sings
really fucking good, too.''

427
00:24:37,762 --> 00:24:40,396
Eddie was very shy at the beginning.

428
00:24:40,397 --> 00:24:42,932
He was very kind of self-conscious.

429
00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:45,932
He's wasn't fully comfortable,
l think...

430
00:24:46,369 --> 00:24:49,369
Until him and Cornell
went out one night.

431
00:25:13,493 --> 00:25:16,261
He really embraced Eddie
when he first moved up here,

432
00:25:16,262 --> 00:25:19,262
and sometimes l wonder
if that was a void that he felt

433
00:25:19,265 --> 00:25:20,865
from Andy's passing,

434
00:25:20,866 --> 00:25:23,033
having another
equally talented singer

435
00:25:23,034 --> 00:25:24,868
that he could sort of
bounce ideas off of

436
00:25:24,869 --> 00:25:27,869
or just basically relate to.

437
00:25:28,907 --> 00:25:30,807
l know Eddie felt a real mentorship,

438
00:25:30,808 --> 00:25:33,808
and l think that gave him
a lot of confidence.

439
00:25:49,691 --> 00:25:51,158
lt was the first time

440
00:25:51,159 --> 00:25:53,294
l ever heard myself on a real record.

441
00:25:53,295 --> 00:25:56,294
So it could be one of
my favorite songs that...

442
00:25:57,264 --> 00:26:00,264
That l've ever been on,
or the most meaningful.

443
00:26:32,661 --> 00:26:35,630
Where's Stone Gossard
when we need him?

444
00:26:35,631 --> 00:26:38,631
Where is Stone? My God.

445
00:26:51,378 --> 00:26:54,378
We went up to Vancouver
to open for Alice in Chains.

446
00:26:58,251 --> 00:27:01,086
Played at this place called
The Town Pump.

447
00:27:01,087 --> 00:27:03,354
During the song Breath,

448
00:27:03,355 --> 00:27:06,355
security was taking out
some kid, some drunk guy.

449
00:27:13,697 --> 00:27:15,698
They were being overly aggressive.

450
00:27:15,699 --> 00:27:17,533
They were really taking this guy out,

451
00:27:17,534 --> 00:27:20,533
and Ed noticed that, was watching it.

452
00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:25,205
And you could just see
this change come over him.

453
00:27:34,215 --> 00:27:37,083
This guy that had been shy,
that people didn't really know,

454
00:27:37,084 --> 00:27:39,252
he didn't know us, all of a sudden

455
00:27:39,253 --> 00:27:41,654
his voice changes,
his attitude changes.

456
00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:44,655
lt just got really intense.

457
00:27:51,263 --> 00:27:54,263
You got a problem.

458
00:28:08,512 --> 00:28:09,946
Here we are in the studio.

459
00:28:09,947 --> 00:28:12,946
They're known as
Mookie Blaylock, but...

460
00:28:13,849 --> 00:28:16,117
Not anymore.
We had some legal problems.

461
00:28:16,118 --> 00:28:17,185
Yeah, the name was taken

462
00:28:17,186 --> 00:28:19,753
by this guy named Mookie Blaylock.

463
00:28:19,754 --> 00:28:22,256
Mookie Blaylock and Michael Jordan.

464
00:28:22,257 --> 00:28:23,624
Look at that. They played yesterday.

465
00:28:23,625 --> 00:28:26,625
The Bulls won, victorious.

466
00:28:28,762 --> 00:28:31,762
So the new name is Pearl Jam.

467
00:28:35,668 --> 00:28:38,668
We're not
gonna cultivate anything today.

468
00:29:05,394 --> 00:29:07,161
Okay. So Pearl Jam, the new name.

469
00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:09,797
And you guys have a lot
of other stuff going on,

470
00:29:09,798 --> 00:29:11,332
almost as we speak.

471
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:13,100
Yeah. We're going in
the studio tomorrow

472
00:29:13,101 --> 00:29:16,101
to make our first album.

473
00:29:37,889 --> 00:29:40,090
l was selling merchandise
at that time,

474
00:29:40,091 --> 00:29:43,027
and you know, you can only take
so much stuff into Canada.

475
00:29:43,028 --> 00:29:45,194
Everything we brought,
you know, l brought

476
00:29:45,195 --> 00:29:47,663
based on kind of what we'd been
selling up to that point.

477
00:29:47,664 --> 00:29:50,333
That night, before the opening band
was even done playing,

478
00:29:50,334 --> 00:29:53,333
l had sold out of everything,
stickers, T-shirts.

479
00:29:53,369 --> 00:29:55,303
Anything that we brought across
was gone.

480
00:29:55,304 --> 00:29:57,039
l had nothing to do
for the rest of the night.

481
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,039
So l grabbed my camera
and filmed the whole show.

482
00:30:00,675 --> 00:30:03,675
They were breaking.
Things were taking off.

483
00:30:10,751 --> 00:30:12,218
That's our CD.

484
00:30:12,219 --> 00:30:13,520
See, l hate holding up a CD.

485
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:14,853
l want to hold up an album.

486
00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:17,854
You can barely see this.

487
00:30:52,654 --> 00:30:54,354
Our band is doing 10 times as well

488
00:30:54,355 --> 00:30:55,656
as l ever thought we would.

489
00:30:55,657 --> 00:30:58,525
We're getting to play shows
almost every day.

490
00:30:58,526 --> 00:31:01,525
You know, we're happy.

491
00:31:06,467 --> 00:31:09,067
So the band's chemistry
seems really good right now.

492
00:31:09,068 --> 00:31:12,068
Yeah. Yeah. Very much a family.

493
00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:18,943
What is, you know, being
on the road, being touring,

494
00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:21,944
what is the strangest thing
that has happened to you?

495
00:31:24,648 --> 00:31:25,748
Right here.

496
00:31:25,749 --> 00:31:27,283
l'd like to thank D'arcy
from the Smashing Pumpkins

497
00:31:27,284 --> 00:31:29,352
for letting me borrow her wardrobe.

498
00:31:29,353 --> 00:31:30,587
l think she looks a little better

499
00:31:30,588 --> 00:31:33,587
in it than you do, though.

500
00:31:37,494 --> 00:31:39,127
We showed up in Zurich, Switzerland,

501
00:31:39,128 --> 00:31:42,128
and the venue was almost like
a kind of an art house.

502
00:31:42,664 --> 00:31:45,600
The stage is, like, about as big
as our drum riser.

503
00:31:45,601 --> 00:31:47,200
We're like, ''What are we gonna do?''

504
00:31:47,201 --> 00:31:48,535
We'd been playing enough
at that point

505
00:31:48,536 --> 00:31:50,370
that we were kind of ready
to change something up.

506
00:31:50,371 --> 00:31:52,539
And we asked the local guys,
''ls there a chance

507
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:54,039
''that you could get us
some acoustic instruments?

508
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,475
''Maybe we could just do
kind of an acoustic show.''

509
00:31:56,476 --> 00:31:59,476
And we'd never done that before.

510
00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:31,039
And then it was the next day,
somebody called

511
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,973
and asked about ''MTV Unplugged.''

512
00:32:32,974 --> 00:32:34,808
So we said, ''Yeah, we could do that.''

513
00:32:34,809 --> 00:32:36,343
Yeah. We just did it. Yeah.

514
00:32:36,344 --> 00:32:39,344
Yeah.

515
00:32:58,130 --> 00:33:01,130
lt's a true story,
something that l really felt

516
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,099
and l still feel
every time l sing it.

517
00:33:16,479 --> 00:33:19,447
A lot of your songs
are sort of on the dark side.

518
00:33:19,448 --> 00:33:21,816
ls there any reason for that,

519
00:33:21,817 --> 00:33:24,252
or is that just mostly
what you see, or...

520
00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:25,320
My emotions.

521
00:33:25,321 --> 00:33:27,187
lt seems like l should be
even really happy right now.

522
00:33:27,188 --> 00:33:28,956
You know, l get to, like, play shows.

523
00:33:28,957 --> 00:33:31,258
lt's been amazing, but the fact is,

524
00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:33,726
it's like my emotions are like
a quarter flipped in the air.

525
00:33:33,727 --> 00:33:36,596
lt's just like black and white,
you know, good and bad,

526
00:33:36,597 --> 00:33:39,365
constantly, and you know,
maybe by talking

527
00:33:39,366 --> 00:33:41,233
about things that may be
a little darker

528
00:33:41,234 --> 00:33:44,234
or more, you know, on the
negative side of our existence,

529
00:33:44,503 --> 00:33:45,637
by dealing with them,

530
00:33:45,638 --> 00:33:48,638
maybe that's where
l find my happiness.

531
00:34:12,894 --> 00:34:14,195
The folks at MTV said

532
00:34:14,196 --> 00:34:16,364
they thought that was
one of the best ''Unpluggeds.''

533
00:34:16,365 --> 00:34:17,765
ls it nice
to get that kind of response,

534
00:34:17,766 --> 00:34:19,366
especially when it's
a stripped-down...

535
00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:20,967
l don't trust nobody,

536
00:34:20,968 --> 00:34:23,968
especially when they say
something good.

537
00:34:28,808 --> 00:34:31,808
lf l even see you having fun,

538
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,080
you will be promptly arrested

539
00:34:38,817 --> 00:34:41,817
and led away.

540
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:45,820
Fuck security.

541
00:35:15,316 --> 00:35:18,316
Yeah!

542
00:35:23,923 --> 00:35:26,923
That was when Ten
was completely blowing up.

543
00:35:26,926 --> 00:35:28,160
They played at 3:00 in the afternoon.

544
00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:29,727
They were, like, the second group.

545
00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:32,728
But the frenzy during their set
got more and more extreme

546
00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:36,464
as the tour went on.

547
00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:41,504
And it was all a whirlwind,

548
00:35:41,505 --> 00:35:43,640
because we went from vans
to playing little clubs

549
00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:45,107
to a little bit bigger clubs,

550
00:35:45,108 --> 00:35:46,508
and then we get in ''Lollapalooza,''

551
00:35:46,509 --> 00:35:49,411
and then you have everything blow up.

552
00:35:49,412 --> 00:35:50,713
l remember not being able to sleep

553
00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:52,347
for entire nights after the show

554
00:35:52,348 --> 00:35:54,215
because you'd be so buzzed.

555
00:35:54,216 --> 00:35:55,616
l finally figured out years later

556
00:35:55,617 --> 00:35:58,617
that if l took a bath,
that sometimes put me to sleep.

557
00:36:22,707 --> 00:36:23,841
ls it like you can...

558
00:36:23,842 --> 00:36:26,110
Like you're just walking
down the street one day

559
00:36:26,111 --> 00:36:28,445
and all of a sudden you feel like

560
00:36:28,446 --> 00:36:29,879
you're getting a lot more exposure

561
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,714
by a lot more people
coming up to you?

562
00:36:31,715 --> 00:36:34,715
Like, l'm just wondering, like,
when would you start noticing

563
00:36:35,419 --> 00:36:38,387
that all of a sudden, you know,
your millions,

564
00:36:38,388 --> 00:36:41,356
millions of people are, like...
Yeah, exactly.

565
00:36:41,357 --> 00:36:42,491
That would be weird.
That would be weird.

566
00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,292
We try not to think about that
as much as we can.

567
00:36:45,293 --> 00:36:48,028
We try not to think about that
as much as we can.

568
00:36:48,029 --> 00:36:49,930
Think about that sentence
for a while, America.

569
00:36:49,931 --> 00:36:52,930
Think about it.

570
00:36:53,634 --> 00:36:55,368
Back on the ''Headbangers Ball''

571
00:36:55,369 --> 00:36:57,771
with Eddie and Mike
of the band Pearl Jam.

572
00:36:57,772 --> 00:37:00,771
The album is called Ten.
Why is it called Ten?

573
00:37:01,408 --> 00:37:03,642
Actually, that's back to
Mookie Blaylock.

574
00:37:03,643 --> 00:37:06,445
That's his number.
lt's total dedication to Mookie.

575
00:37:06,446 --> 00:37:09,180
Now, we're about to play
your video for Alive.

576
00:37:09,181 --> 00:37:10,882
Did you like making the video, or...

577
00:37:10,883 --> 00:37:12,917
That was the thing.
We didn't make a video.

578
00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:15,420
We said we just wanted to play live.

579
00:37:15,421 --> 00:37:17,621
There's no way,
with a song like that,

580
00:37:17,622 --> 00:37:19,756
which talks about
living for the moment,

581
00:37:19,757 --> 00:37:21,391
that we're going to, like,
lip-synch something

582
00:37:21,392 --> 00:37:23,059
that we had recorded
a few months ago.

583
00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:24,593
l wonder what they're going to
do for another video

584
00:37:24,594 --> 00:37:25,728
if we ever have to do one,

585
00:37:25,729 --> 00:37:27,229
because all we ever want to do
is live.

586
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:28,831
Really? You can't see yourself

587
00:37:28,832 --> 00:37:31,831
ever making some sort of conceptual
video or anything like that?

588
00:37:31,967 --> 00:37:34,967
Roll sound. Background.

589
00:38:04,129 --> 00:38:05,663
l personally have no problem

590
00:38:05,664 --> 00:38:07,565
with the theory of doing
a concept video at all.

591
00:38:07,566 --> 00:38:08,933
To me, it's more of a question

592
00:38:08,934 --> 00:38:10,533
of what you have more control over,

593
00:38:10,534 --> 00:38:12,268
and we're going to give
some control up this time

594
00:38:12,269 --> 00:38:15,269
and, you know, see how it works.

595
00:38:18,308 --> 00:38:20,676
That song was part of the second wave

596
00:38:20,677 --> 00:38:22,845
of songs that we wrote with Ed.

597
00:38:22,846 --> 00:38:25,346
l still didn't really understand
songwriting at that point,

598
00:38:25,347 --> 00:38:26,948
and pretty much
that whole song is in A.

599
00:38:26,949 --> 00:38:29,817
There's not really, like, a real
major chord change in that song.

600
00:38:29,818 --> 00:38:32,119
lt sort of goes
against the rules of, like,

601
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,287
how to write a pop song.

602
00:38:34,288 --> 00:38:36,122
Ed had been reading a newspaper

603
00:38:36,123 --> 00:38:37,958
when we were starting to
jam on the song

604
00:38:37,959 --> 00:38:39,326
and basically wrote the entire lyrics

605
00:38:39,327 --> 00:38:42,326
off of a newspaper article.

606
00:38:42,929 --> 00:38:45,664
Visually making that video
with Mark Pellington,

607
00:38:45,665 --> 00:38:47,366
he did such a great job
at making you see

608
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:50,134
kind of how heavy that lyric was.

609
00:38:50,135 --> 00:38:51,336
You seem
kind of embarrassed about it.

610
00:38:51,337 --> 00:38:53,137
This seems to me to be quite a valid

611
00:38:53,138 --> 00:38:55,506
sort of artistic thing
to be doing up there.

612
00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:56,940
lt was just... lt's a different...

613
00:38:56,941 --> 00:38:59,941
You know,
it's a different kind of focus.

614
00:39:00,178 --> 00:39:01,845
You know, and that's the key to it,

615
00:39:01,846 --> 00:39:03,913
is just focusing, you know,

616
00:39:03,914 --> 00:39:06,516
but kind of like, with a camera,

617
00:39:06,517 --> 00:39:09,517
that's just... You know,
l'm just not into it really.

618
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,160
Yeah!

619
00:40:08,737 --> 00:40:11,737
We've never played
for this many people before.

620
00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:16,074
We never thought we'd ever play
for this many people.

621
00:40:17,745 --> 00:40:20,744
So you ready for one more?
1, 2, 3, 4.

622
00:41:37,981 --> 00:41:40,116
Yeah, lots of times,

623
00:41:40,117 --> 00:41:42,418
especially when our singer
starts climbing up on the ceiling,

624
00:41:42,419 --> 00:41:45,418
like, 50 feet above the stage,
and, like, is on a truss.

625
00:41:45,521 --> 00:41:48,521
You know, it's like, ''Don't do that.''

626
00:41:52,193 --> 00:41:53,661
Were you worried he'd fall down?

627
00:41:53,662 --> 00:41:55,129
All the time.

628
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:57,131
l thought, ''This guy's gonna
fall and kill himself,

629
00:41:57,132 --> 00:41:58,832
''and our career is over.''

630
00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:01,832
l was worried every time he did it.

631
00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:36,131
Over the gigs,
it got higher and higher.

632
00:42:36,132 --> 00:42:37,732
You'd do one,
and then you'd notch it up,

633
00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:40,733
because you survived
the last one, so...

634
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:43,271
We're gonna take this to some level

635
00:42:43,272 --> 00:42:45,039
that people aren't gonna forget,

636
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,741
and if that means risking your life,

637
00:42:47,742 --> 00:42:50,742
we're gonna do it.

638
00:42:58,151 --> 00:43:00,653
You know, we'd get to the hotel
after the shows or whatever

639
00:43:00,654 --> 00:43:02,187
and feel pretty good physically,

640
00:43:02,188 --> 00:43:04,889
and then l'd take a shower
and realize that l had, like,

641
00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:07,890
a thousand deep scratches on my back.

642
00:43:10,028 --> 00:43:12,129
l didn't want him to hurt himself.

643
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:15,130
But at the same time, it's like
there was no talking to him.

644
00:43:16,467 --> 00:43:19,467
He was going to do
what he was going to do.

645
00:43:20,337 --> 00:43:22,739
He could have killed himself
a couple of times probably

646
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:25,373
for sure, which would have been...

647
00:43:25,374 --> 00:43:28,374
More than l could have taken.

648
00:43:30,546 --> 00:43:32,213
Tell me. You look quite mixed up.

649
00:43:32,214 --> 00:43:34,749
Look at these pictures.
l'll show you these pictures.

650
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:36,917
l'll show you why
l feel the way l do.

651
00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:38,552
lt's a little bit overwhelming

652
00:43:38,553 --> 00:43:40,120
to see this many people.

653
00:43:40,121 --> 00:43:43,121
l mean, l'm sure you've been
looking at this all day.

654
00:43:44,391 --> 00:43:47,192
lt's a lot of people.

655
00:43:47,193 --> 00:43:49,394
We're used to playing small clubs,
you know,

656
00:43:49,395 --> 00:43:52,395
and we want to go back
to playing small clubs.

657
00:43:53,533 --> 00:43:55,933
He wanted Pearl Jam to be a band

658
00:43:55,934 --> 00:43:58,236
that goes out and tours in the van

659
00:43:58,237 --> 00:44:00,772
and pays its dues and plays clubs

660
00:44:00,773 --> 00:44:03,772
and makes albums and
has a slow, natural life.

661
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:06,576
He was not the guy
that wanted to come out

662
00:44:06,577 --> 00:44:07,944
and have overnight success.

663
00:44:07,945 --> 00:44:10,579
l think he was critical
about the mixes of Ten.

664
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:13,580
He felt like maybe they were
leaning too commercial.

665
00:44:13,583 --> 00:44:16,583
He was really reluctant.

666
00:44:16,953 --> 00:44:19,952
You are also not going to be

667
00:44:20,956 --> 00:44:22,957
doing videos right away at least.

668
00:44:22,958 --> 00:44:24,425
We just don't know.

669
00:44:24,426 --> 00:44:26,093
You know,
our mind is on music right now,

670
00:44:26,094 --> 00:44:29,094
which is probably a really
good thing for everybody.

671
00:44:30,131 --> 00:44:32,599
l think l got that theory
to make that part work.

672
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,599
l come in one earlier
than l normally do.

673
00:44:37,604 --> 00:44:39,806
So l still do four.
So it almost felt like it didn't...

674
00:44:39,807 --> 00:44:41,273
lt almost kind of always felt like
l did

675
00:44:41,274 --> 00:44:42,808
one too many or something,

676
00:44:42,809 --> 00:44:44,342
but it didn't, like, play itself.

677
00:44:44,343 --> 00:44:47,343
Let's just do it one more time.

678
00:45:45,663 --> 00:45:48,332
A lot of my job
is taking what they bring

679
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:50,800
and turning it into something.

680
00:45:50,801 --> 00:45:53,801
Okay, this is a chord change.
This is this. This is a melody.

681
00:45:54,204 --> 00:45:55,872
Okay, but what does that mean?

682
00:45:55,873 --> 00:45:58,872
Where am l?
lf l close my eyes, where am l?

683
00:45:58,875 --> 00:46:01,875
What does this music mean?

684
00:46:10,552 --> 00:46:13,551
Let's just figure out
where we want to go on that verse.

685
00:46:13,888 --> 00:46:16,689
l was at this, like,
small, little coffee shop,

686
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:19,092
and someone came up and stopped me,

687
00:46:19,093 --> 00:46:20,525
and the waitress, this older lady,

688
00:46:20,526 --> 00:46:22,728
kind of witnessed it
and said, ''You're...''

689
00:46:22,729 --> 00:46:24,363
l said, ''Yeah, yeah,'' you know.

690
00:46:24,364 --> 00:46:26,365
She says, ''What? You don't like it?''

691
00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:27,899
l said, ''lt's just...

692
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:29,533
''lt's no big deal, you know.
l'm just this guy.''

693
00:46:29,534 --> 00:46:32,169
And she says,
''lf you don't like it, you know,

694
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:34,772
''you certainly picked
the wrong business to be in.''

695
00:46:34,773 --> 00:46:36,706
And she had a really good point.

696
00:46:36,707 --> 00:46:39,707
The fact is, when you sit
in your room playing guitar,

697
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:41,378
you don't have to worry
about being successful.

698
00:46:41,379 --> 00:46:44,378
lt's not gonna happen.
lt's just not gonna happen.

699
00:46:45,515 --> 00:46:46,615
The point of doing an encore

700
00:46:46,616 --> 00:46:48,384
just doesn't make any sense to me.

701
00:46:48,385 --> 00:46:51,384
When you're playing
in front of 30 people...

702
00:46:53,389 --> 00:46:55,790
l had done the movie
''Say Anything...''

703
00:46:55,791 --> 00:46:58,790
and was anxious to do
the next movie here in Seattle,

704
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,360
and it was going to have
that mix of music that l love.

705
00:47:04,799 --> 00:47:06,565
The studio looked at the movie
and said,

706
00:47:06,566 --> 00:47:08,067
''We don't know
how to sell this movie.

707
00:47:08,068 --> 00:47:10,169
''We don't even want to put it out.''

708
00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:13,170
But as Nirvana got bigger
and Pearl Jam got bigger,

709
00:47:13,773 --> 00:47:16,773
they came to me and said,
''Well, you know, there is one way.''

710
00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:20,111
When we looked at the schedule,

711
00:47:20,112 --> 00:47:22,413
it was like there was one day off
that week,

712
00:47:22,414 --> 00:47:24,281
and that was the day
that he wanted us to play,

713
00:47:24,282 --> 00:47:26,116
and we're just going like, ''Shit.''

714
00:47:26,117 --> 00:47:29,116
Any memories of
the ''Singles'' party in Los Angeles,

715
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:31,421
which we have
very vivid footage from.

716
00:47:31,422 --> 00:47:34,422
God. Do you have
some footage of that?

717
00:47:34,491 --> 00:47:36,758
We do.
The unaired, of course, footage.

718
00:47:36,759 --> 00:47:39,759
Yeah. l won't watch that.

719
00:47:40,029 --> 00:47:43,029
Fuck MTV! Fuck all TV!

720
00:47:43,633 --> 00:47:45,199
lt was pretty bad.

721
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,667
We're all just warming up, you know.

722
00:47:46,668 --> 00:47:48,602
lt's not like one of these
fucking movie things.

723
00:47:48,603 --> 00:47:51,603
You've got to warm up, right?

724
00:47:51,606 --> 00:47:53,440
lt was a disaster,

725
00:47:53,441 --> 00:47:55,208
a total disaster.

726
00:47:55,209 --> 00:47:58,209
Everybody loves us.

727
00:47:58,346 --> 00:48:01,345
Everybody loves our town!

728
00:48:02,515 --> 00:48:04,450
There were some long soundchecks
that day or something.

729
00:48:04,451 --> 00:48:06,452
So l drank, like, one bottle of wine,

730
00:48:06,453 --> 00:48:08,453
and then there was, like,
another that l opened

731
00:48:08,454 --> 00:48:11,454
to give to friends,
and they weren't drinking.

732
00:48:14,793 --> 00:48:16,126
And so we're downstairs,

733
00:48:16,127 --> 00:48:19,127
and there's a bottle of tequila
sitting down there,

734
00:48:19,664 --> 00:48:21,765
which we hardly ever drank
before the show,

735
00:48:21,766 --> 00:48:24,765
but by that point, we were already,
like, fucking wasted.

736
00:48:26,169 --> 00:48:27,803
l actually have more memories

737
00:48:27,804 --> 00:48:30,803
than you'd think l would have.

738
00:48:32,541 --> 00:48:34,509
The monitors
weren't working that well,

739
00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:36,878
or my ears weren't working,
one or the other.

740
00:48:36,879 --> 00:48:39,480
l kept looking over and
asking them to turn the monitors up.

741
00:48:39,481 --> 00:48:41,949
l can't hear anything.
And it just wouldn't turn up.

742
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:44,451
At some point after a while,
l just got really upset,

743
00:48:44,452 --> 00:48:47,220
and l went over.
They had this pipe and drape thing,

744
00:48:47,221 --> 00:48:48,821
and l pulled it off
and threw it down or something.

745
00:48:48,822 --> 00:48:50,256
l don't know. ls this documented?

746
00:48:50,257 --> 00:48:53,059
l looked over,
and that wasn't our soundwoman.

747
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:55,460
lt was the lighting person.
l kept wondering, like,

748
00:48:55,461 --> 00:48:58,461
''Why is it getting brighter in here?''

749
00:49:06,872 --> 00:49:09,871
l began to see studio executives
and their families

750
00:49:10,107 --> 00:49:12,042
starting to stream for the exits.

751
00:49:12,043 --> 00:49:13,510
Some fights were breaking out.

752
00:49:13,511 --> 00:49:16,510
Don't be violent!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

753
00:49:31,692 --> 00:49:33,226
Because we had waited so long

754
00:49:33,227 --> 00:49:34,694
for anyone to ask us to do something

755
00:49:34,695 --> 00:49:37,064
that we were saying yes, yes, yes.

756
00:49:37,065 --> 00:49:40,064
That was a moment where
it was really evident

757
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,700
that there was always gonna be

758
00:49:41,701 --> 00:49:44,701
one more thing they were
gonna want you to do.

759
00:49:48,507 --> 00:49:51,409
At some point, you had to say no.

760
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:54,410
That was the birth of no.

761
00:50:24,106 --> 00:50:27,105
Let's keep things rolling here, Tab.

762
00:50:27,108 --> 00:50:29,642
''Grunge rockers Pearl Jam.''

763
00:50:29,643 --> 00:50:30,910
We don't have time
to explain the puzzle to you,

764
00:50:30,911 --> 00:50:33,910
but we'll be back.

765
00:50:43,322 --> 00:50:46,023
Shit got fucking crazy.

766
00:50:46,024 --> 00:50:47,458
-Who are Pearl Jam?
-Right.

767
00:50:47,459 --> 00:50:49,826
This is MTV's ''Smells Like Grunge''
countdown.

768
00:50:49,827 --> 00:50:50,927
l was just screaming for anything.

769
00:50:50,928 --> 00:50:52,129
l wanted something of Eddie's.

770
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:54,464
And they gave me the wine bottle.

771
00:50:54,465 --> 00:50:55,765
What did you think of the show?

772
00:50:55,766 --> 00:50:57,333
lt was fucking so awesome.

773
00:50:57,334 --> 00:50:58,601
Could you do a Week in Rock
open for us?

774
00:50:58,602 --> 00:51:00,069
What is that?

775
00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:02,938
We're just about to launch
MTV in Latin America.

776
00:51:02,939 --> 00:51:04,539
l don't know if you feel comfortable

777
00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:06,141
doing a couple of l.D.'s for us...

778
00:51:06,142 --> 00:51:07,308
-Sure.
-Sure.

779
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:10,309
ln Spanish. So if you
could just hang on. Josh.

780
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,779
Pearl Jam.

781
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:15,780
MTV.

782
00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:17,951
What do you think grunge means?

783
00:51:17,952 --> 00:51:19,485
l don't even say that word.

784
00:51:19,486 --> 00:51:20,786
Really?

785
00:51:20,787 --> 00:51:23,787
All your friends are
talking about is Pearl Jam.

786
00:51:24,491 --> 00:51:26,626
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

787
00:51:26,627 --> 00:51:29,161
l've always hated their band.

788
00:51:29,162 --> 00:51:31,296
The first Pearl Jam
record came out two months

789
00:51:31,297 --> 00:51:33,932
before the Nevermind record,
so it turned into

790
00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:35,733
a Pearl Jam versus Nirvana thing.

791
00:51:35,734 --> 00:51:37,268
Nirvana's Kurt Cobain made

792
00:51:37,269 --> 00:51:40,104
some rather disparaging remarks
about Pearl Jam's music,

793
00:51:40,105 --> 00:51:41,639
which he thought was too commercial

794
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,940
to be truly alternative.

795
00:51:43,941 --> 00:51:46,941
l was so naive and fresh
when we first came out,

796
00:51:47,178 --> 00:51:50,145
singing and opening up,
and then everyone

797
00:51:50,146 --> 00:51:53,015
just looked at it
from a cynical point of view

798
00:51:53,016 --> 00:51:56,016
or started copying it.

799
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:59,318
Eddie Vedder joins
Creed front man Scott Stapp.

800
00:52:07,094 --> 00:52:08,528
Eddie Vedder is attempting

801
00:52:08,529 --> 00:52:11,529
to rip out Scott Stapp's larynx
with his bare hands.

802
00:52:12,233 --> 00:52:13,699
The group is called Pearl Jam.

803
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:14,967
l'm talking about Pearl Jam.

804
00:52:14,968 --> 00:52:16,535
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

805
00:52:16,536 --> 00:52:18,470
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

806
00:52:18,471 --> 00:52:21,470
Pearl Jam...

807
00:52:23,542 --> 00:52:25,677
Hi. l'm Tabitha Soren
with ''MTV News.''

808
00:52:25,678 --> 00:52:28,645
Pearl Jam will become the second
Seattle band within a month

809
00:52:28,646 --> 00:52:30,547
to enter
the Billboard pop albums chart

810
00:52:30,548 --> 00:52:32,049
at number one next week.

811
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:33,684
Since its release a week ago,

812
00:52:33,685 --> 00:52:36,684
Vs. has sold 950,000 copies.

813
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,222
A million.
You know, what's a million?

814
00:52:39,223 --> 00:52:42,223
l'm having a hard enough time
with one right now.

815
00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:44,693
We played ''Saturday Night Live''
the second time,

816
00:52:44,694 --> 00:52:46,194
and l remember
talking to Stone the next day,

817
00:52:46,195 --> 00:52:47,395
and he said, ''What did you
think of Daughter?''

818
00:52:47,396 --> 00:52:50,396
And l thought in my mind,
we played Daughter?

819
00:52:51,399 --> 00:52:54,399
So l essentially blacked out on TV.

820
00:52:57,706 --> 00:52:59,706
And that's how l dealt with
how big we got,

821
00:52:59,707 --> 00:53:02,575
kind of checking out
and partying a lot.

822
00:53:02,576 --> 00:53:04,811
l bought into the myth,

823
00:53:04,812 --> 00:53:06,812
and it was killing me.

824
00:53:06,813 --> 00:53:08,113
The last time l talked to Kurt,

825
00:53:08,114 --> 00:53:10,882
we both agreed together
that we were not

826
00:53:10,883 --> 00:53:12,584
going to participate in
the Time Magazine.

827
00:53:12,585 --> 00:53:14,418
Neither band was going to participate

828
00:53:14,419 --> 00:53:17,154
in the Time Magazine interview,
and we didn't,

829
00:53:17,155 --> 00:53:20,155
and then they put me
on the fucking cover anyway.

830
00:53:20,259 --> 00:53:21,725
l mean, sure, l could read it,

831
00:53:21,726 --> 00:53:23,226
you know, and l read it.
l read it on the airplanes.

832
00:53:23,227 --> 00:53:24,594
But l don't take it seriously.

833
00:53:24,595 --> 00:53:25,729
lf l want to find out anything,

834
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:27,163
l'm not gonna read Time Magazine.

835
00:53:27,164 --> 00:53:29,065
Time Magazine was just, you know,

836
00:53:29,066 --> 00:53:30,432
your parents' magazine

837
00:53:30,433 --> 00:53:32,368
or the magazine
that's in a doctor's office,

838
00:53:32,369 --> 00:53:33,535
and l just thought,

839
00:53:33,536 --> 00:53:36,536
''We've been swallowed up
by the mainstream,

840
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:38,539
''and no one's gonna want to
listen to us.''

841
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:39,974
l'm not gonna read Newsweek.

842
00:53:39,975 --> 00:53:41,509
l'm not gonna read
any of these magazines.

843
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:43,444
l mean, 'cause they've just got
too much to lose

844
00:53:43,445 --> 00:53:46,444
by printing the truth.

845
00:53:48,283 --> 00:53:51,283
You know that.

846
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:07,100
How were you going to survive
and not do something wrong,

847
00:56:08,405 --> 00:56:10,272
not piss someone off?

848
00:56:10,273 --> 00:56:12,340
You know, now you've sold
too many records,

849
00:56:12,341 --> 00:56:15,276
but these people are so happy
to hear your music,

850
00:56:15,277 --> 00:56:17,412
but these people hate you now.

851
00:56:17,413 --> 00:56:20,412
And... And these people
love you so much

852
00:56:20,882 --> 00:56:23,550
they want to kill you.

853
00:56:23,551 --> 00:56:26,185
So how do you relate to
any of these people

854
00:56:26,186 --> 00:56:29,186
from where you are?

855
00:56:29,456 --> 00:56:32,191
Yeah, l think the one that
l wanted to get impersonal with

856
00:56:32,192 --> 00:56:35,191
was No Code
because of stalker problems

857
00:56:35,594 --> 00:56:37,061
and built a wall
in front of the house

858
00:56:37,062 --> 00:56:40,062
because... Because why?

859
00:56:40,699 --> 00:56:43,698
Because l had been open
and honest and intimate in lyrics,

860
00:56:45,737 --> 00:56:48,736
that seemed really strange.

861
00:56:48,806 --> 00:56:51,806
Now l'm having to build a wall
in front of the house.

862
00:56:52,976 --> 00:56:55,976
l mean, that wall...
lt saved my life.

863
00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:00,081
Not because of privacy
or anything, but literally,

864
00:57:00,082 --> 00:57:03,082
because someone drove,
trying to drive into the house

865
00:57:03,953 --> 00:57:06,952
at 50 miles an hour.

866
00:57:08,623 --> 00:57:11,623
So, you wonder what happened

867
00:57:12,927 --> 00:57:15,927
or how did it mutate into
this kind of situation?

868
00:57:17,598 --> 00:57:20,597
You'll have to edit this part.

869
00:57:23,203 --> 00:57:25,804
The young musician
who made grunge music popular

870
00:57:25,805 --> 00:57:27,805
had become an overnight spokesman

871
00:57:27,806 --> 00:57:29,807
for many disaffected young Americans,

872
00:57:29,808 --> 00:57:32,477
as his fans tried to sort out
what it was

873
00:57:32,478 --> 00:57:35,245
that caused him to take his life.

874
00:57:35,246 --> 00:57:36,646
l was trying to, like, with my eyes

875
00:57:36,647 --> 00:57:39,647
trying to tell them, ''Don't hurt me.''

876
00:57:40,751 --> 00:57:42,052
And what's all this nonsense

877
00:57:42,053 --> 00:57:44,220
about how terrible life is?

878
00:57:44,221 --> 00:57:47,089
A young girl who stood outside
his home in Seattle

879
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:49,859
with tears
streaming down her face said,

880
00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:52,827
''lt's hard to be
a young person nowadays.

881
00:57:52,828 --> 00:57:55,828
''He helped open people's eyes
to our struggles.''

882
00:57:56,398 --> 00:57:59,132
Please wipe the tears
from your eyes, dear.

883
00:57:59,133 --> 00:58:00,801
You're breaking my heart.

884
00:58:00,802 --> 00:58:03,537
l'd love to relieve
the pain you're going through

885
00:58:03,538 --> 00:58:06,537
by switching my age for yours.

886
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:10,676
l was trying to call him

887
00:58:10,677 --> 00:58:11,978
because l'd read something he said,

888
00:58:11,979 --> 00:58:13,945
that he couldn't keep it real,

889
00:58:13,946 --> 00:58:15,380
and l just wanted
to tell him, ''Listen,

890
00:58:15,381 --> 00:58:16,648
''you don't have to do anything

891
00:58:16,649 --> 00:58:17,949
''anybody fucking tells you to do.

892
00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:20,552
''Just stop fucking playing,
cancel all your shit,

893
00:58:20,553 --> 00:58:21,886
''and don't do anything.''

894
00:58:21,887 --> 00:58:24,088
l had a whole thing
l was going to tell him,

895
00:58:24,089 --> 00:58:26,957
but l never got a chance.

896
00:58:26,958 --> 00:58:29,526
Sometimes people elevate you,
you know,

897
00:58:29,527 --> 00:58:32,527
whether you like it or not.

898
00:58:32,997 --> 00:58:35,996
lt's real easy to fall.

899
00:58:37,133 --> 00:58:40,133
l don't think any of us would be
in this room here tonight

900
00:58:40,637 --> 00:58:43,637
if it weren't for Kurt Cobain, so...

901
00:58:48,377 --> 00:58:51,376
People think that we're whining
or crying about success

902
00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:53,980
if we're just really trying
to tell you

903
00:58:53,981 --> 00:58:56,716
that there's some intense pressures

904
00:58:56,717 --> 00:58:59,716
and really some things
that could be helped.

905
00:59:17,902 --> 00:59:19,603
He resonates in my life

906
00:59:19,604 --> 00:59:22,603
in this... lt always comes up,
like, around a campfire

907
00:59:23,206 --> 00:59:26,206
or playing music with a few guys
he had known in a garage

908
00:59:27,444 --> 00:59:29,811
for no particular reason.

909
00:59:29,812 --> 00:59:32,812
l always just think,
''He would have...

910
00:59:33,082 --> 00:59:36,082
''He would have liked this.''

911
00:59:48,996 --> 00:59:50,229
l really like him.

912
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:52,731
l think he's a nice,
really nice person.

913
00:59:52,732 --> 00:59:54,366
l didn't like him a lot then,

914
00:59:54,367 --> 00:59:57,069
when l was talking shit
about him all the time,

915
00:59:57,070 --> 01:00:00,070
but now l can...
l can appreciate him, you know.

916
01:00:00,073 --> 01:00:02,073
l mean, l've realized that, you know,

917
01:00:02,074 --> 01:00:03,874
the same people that like
our band like their band,

918
01:00:03,875 --> 01:00:06,875
so why create some kind
of feud over something?

919
01:00:15,052 --> 01:00:17,419
He made us think about
everything that we did, you know.

920
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:19,421
His critique of us early on

921
01:00:19,422 --> 01:00:22,191
sure kept us on good behavior.

922
01:00:22,192 --> 01:00:23,758
ln terms of everything that we did,

923
01:00:23,759 --> 01:00:25,960
we thought,
''Okay, why are we doing this?''

924
01:00:25,961 --> 01:00:27,762
lf we're good now,

925
01:00:27,763 --> 01:00:30,763
it's partly because of him.

926
01:00:37,739 --> 01:00:39,705
lt's not like you're friends
or anything.

927
01:00:39,706 --> 01:00:41,641
l mean, l can consider him

928
01:00:41,642 --> 01:00:43,142
a person that l really like.

929
01:00:43,143 --> 01:00:44,810
l mean, we've had a few
conversations on the phone,

930
01:00:44,811 --> 01:00:45,945
and l really like him.

931
01:00:45,946 --> 01:00:48,945
l think he's a nice,
really nice person.

932
01:00:50,650 --> 01:00:52,217
Yeah, l remember
the sound of his voice,

933
01:00:52,218 --> 01:00:54,918
but l don't remember
what we talked about.

934
01:00:54,919 --> 01:00:57,919
Just normal stuff.
lt was just real...

935
01:00:59,057 --> 01:01:02,056
Just real normal.

936
01:01:21,576 --> 01:01:23,110
l haven't let myself change,

937
01:01:23,111 --> 01:01:25,912
but the way people see you changes,

938
01:01:25,913 --> 01:01:28,848
and that's not in my hands,
that's not in my control.

939
01:01:28,849 --> 01:01:30,650
And maybe what is in my control

940
01:01:30,651 --> 01:01:33,519
is not doing interviews,
or not being on the TV,

941
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,520
and not anything to kind of
glorify your face or position.

942
01:01:41,827 --> 01:01:44,328
l was talking about this band
being a bit more faceless,

943
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:46,164
and it can be done, you know.

944
01:01:46,165 --> 01:01:48,632
Pink Floyd and...

945
01:01:48,633 --> 01:01:51,633
l mean, it can be done.

946
01:01:53,838 --> 01:01:56,837
Ed couldn't be anonymous,
and it was affecting him.

947
01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:58,641
So l think psychologically,

948
01:01:58,642 --> 01:02:01,642
he needed to take control
of something.

949
01:02:03,979 --> 01:02:06,979
So then he was like, ''Okay.
l can have control over music.''

950
01:02:13,722 --> 01:02:16,722
l felt that anything that we put out
was highly representative of me,

951
01:02:18,459 --> 01:02:21,459
because l was kind of becoming
the most recognizable guy.

952
01:02:34,906 --> 01:02:36,373
Vitalogy was the first record

953
01:02:36,374 --> 01:02:39,043
where it was like we were making
a record in a different way.

954
01:02:39,044 --> 01:02:40,144
l was writing a few songs,

955
01:02:40,145 --> 01:02:41,745
but all of a sudden
everybody was starting to write,

956
01:02:41,746 --> 01:02:43,413
and he was writing more,
and l was like,

957
01:02:43,414 --> 01:02:45,248
''Wait a minute, you know.
l'm the guy.

958
01:02:45,249 --> 01:02:47,650
''You know, let me get in there
and do this thing.

959
01:02:47,651 --> 01:02:50,650
''l know how to do this thing.''

960
01:02:50,653 --> 01:02:53,653
And at the time l thought,
''This isn't our best record.''

961
01:02:54,624 --> 01:02:57,525
The dynamics of the band
of how they have changed

962
01:02:57,526 --> 01:03:00,328
to who was ''in power,''

963
01:03:00,329 --> 01:03:03,164
Stone early on,

964
01:03:03,165 --> 01:03:06,164
Ed now.

965
01:03:43,633 --> 01:03:45,500
As much as l'm excited to play,

966
01:03:45,501 --> 01:03:47,769
l'll cop to it, it's a surfing tour.

967
01:03:47,770 --> 01:03:50,138
l plan on having a surfboard
with me at all times.

968
01:03:50,139 --> 01:03:51,539
That was a big worldwide tour.

969
01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:54,275
l think it was the first time
we went to Australia.

970
01:03:54,276 --> 01:03:56,977
lt was a challenging time,
to kind of go,

971
01:03:56,978 --> 01:03:58,545
''l don't know if we're
the same band right now,

972
01:03:58,546 --> 01:04:00,814
''but we might be a different band
right now,

973
01:04:00,815 --> 01:04:03,815
''and maybe
they'll like the new band.''

974
01:04:18,096 --> 01:04:21,095
Jeff and l have always had
this adversarial relationship.

975
01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:22,499
lt's all been muted now

976
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:24,668
because what we thought of
as our new band

977
01:04:24,669 --> 01:04:26,436
that we might try to control together

978
01:04:26,437 --> 01:04:29,271
immediately was taken over by Ed.

979
01:04:29,272 --> 01:04:31,207
But we learned
the greatest lesson of all,

980
01:04:31,208 --> 01:04:34,109
which is just as you're fighting
over the scraps of control,

981
01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:36,312
you meet somebody
with so much artistic energy

982
01:04:36,313 --> 01:04:39,312
that your argument becomes pointless.

983
01:05:05,872 --> 01:05:08,038
We were always kind of
going towards something else.

984
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:09,673
l think we wanted to be
more like Zeppelin.

985
01:05:09,674 --> 01:05:12,343
l think we wanted to be more
of a chameleon type of band.

986
01:05:12,344 --> 01:05:15,343
We didn't want to be locked into,
like, a real specific style.

987
01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:17,680
But the business aspect
of the record company,

988
01:05:17,681 --> 01:05:19,215
it's all about
fucking making money now

989
01:05:19,216 --> 01:05:21,517
and fucking wind this thing up,
and you know,

990
01:05:21,518 --> 01:05:23,418
they could care less
if it's gone tomorrow

991
01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:25,520
because they've got something
coming up the fucking backside

992
01:05:25,521 --> 01:05:26,955
that's gonna replace it.

993
01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:29,091
And we were just trying to figure out

994
01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:31,459
how we were gonna be a band
down the road, you know.

995
01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:34,061
Like, there wasn't anybody to
go to at that point, you know,

996
01:05:34,062 --> 01:05:37,062
not until we met Neil.

997
01:05:38,933 --> 01:05:40,033
The first time we got asked

998
01:05:40,034 --> 01:05:41,902
to play The Bridge School
in San Francisco,

999
01:05:41,903 --> 01:05:43,470
we just made a connection there.

1000
01:05:43,471 --> 01:05:44,571
He said,
''Hey, man, thanks for doing this.''

1001
01:05:44,572 --> 01:05:47,571
And a few months later,
he asked us to go to Europe with him.

1002
01:05:48,208 --> 01:05:51,208
Like, it all seems like...
All seems like a dream to me.

1003
01:06:01,886 --> 01:06:03,754
Doing a record with him,
we did Mirror Ball,

1004
01:06:03,755 --> 01:06:06,755
it was so educational, listening
to him talk about his career.

1005
01:06:07,158 --> 01:06:09,358
Playing in stadiums one minute,

1006
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:10,993
and then the next time
he's playing in clubs,

1007
01:06:10,994 --> 01:06:12,929
and then he's playing
in medium-sized places,

1008
01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:15,930
but all along, he's doing
whatever he wants to do.

1009
01:06:15,966 --> 01:06:18,965
His point is to kind of
roll with the punches.

1010
01:06:52,731 --> 01:06:55,730
l'm happy to finally have
an adult in my life

1011
01:06:56,968 --> 01:06:58,768
that leads by example.

1012
01:06:58,769 --> 01:07:01,769
l've had some crazy adults
in my life.

1013
01:07:01,973 --> 01:07:04,972
So it's about time l got one
that inspires me.

1014
01:07:21,255 --> 01:07:24,255
l hope Neil's feeling feisty tonight,

1015
01:07:26,827 --> 01:07:28,327
and speaking of feisty,

1016
01:07:28,328 --> 01:07:31,328
some smart-ass
who arranged the tables

1017
01:07:31,698 --> 01:07:34,697
put our table right next to
Ticketmaster's table over here.

1018
01:07:40,939 --> 01:07:43,939
So l predict a food fight
by the end of the evening,

1019
01:07:46,444 --> 01:07:49,443
and l would recommend
to the classy people over there

1020
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,581
to scoot away or join in.

1021
01:07:51,582 --> 01:07:54,582
Maybe we should all join in
while we got them right here.

1022
01:07:59,288 --> 01:08:01,089
ln the United States,
the hit rock band Pearl Jam

1023
01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:04,089
has taken battle against
what it claims

1024
01:08:04,092 --> 01:08:06,560
is the greed of
the entertainment industry.

1025
01:08:06,561 --> 01:08:08,362
lt's tackling the high cost of buying

1026
01:08:08,363 --> 01:08:11,362
from the country's biggest
ticket agency, Ticketmaster.

1027
01:08:11,432 --> 01:08:14,432
All the band wants, it says,
is a fair deal for the fans.

1028
01:08:17,772 --> 01:08:20,205
We don't want
to be doing a press conference.

1029
01:08:20,206 --> 01:08:21,807
We want to be playing.

1030
01:08:21,808 --> 01:08:24,610
The nation's top rock band
is accusing

1031
01:08:24,611 --> 01:08:26,477
the biggest ticket distributor
in the business

1032
01:08:26,478 --> 01:08:29,047
of unfair practices
and price-gouging.

1033
01:08:29,048 --> 01:08:32,048
lf they don't agree to Ticketmaster's
terms, they can't perform.

1034
01:08:32,384 --> 01:08:35,383
A spokesman insisted
Ticketmaster never told

1035
01:08:35,453 --> 01:08:37,521
any promoter not to book Pearl Jam.

1036
01:08:37,522 --> 01:08:40,522
He dismissed the band members as,

1037
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,694
Last month, the band took
the extraordinary step

1038
01:08:45,695 --> 01:08:48,695
of filing a complaint here
at the justice department.

1039
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:53,900
When you're on that big of a stage,
it's not in your control.

1040
01:08:53,936 --> 01:08:55,870
You're sort of playing a part
to some larger drama.

1041
01:08:55,871 --> 01:08:58,870
We had a very specific problem
with Ticketmaster,

1042
01:08:59,307 --> 01:09:00,874
and they asked us to come and testify

1043
01:09:00,875 --> 01:09:01,942
about our specific problem

1044
01:09:01,943 --> 01:09:04,411
in regards to a larger lawsuit
that was being brought,

1045
01:09:04,412 --> 01:09:06,345
but it's always been
perceived as, like,

1046
01:09:06,346 --> 01:09:08,414
we were trying to
break up Ticketmaster.

1047
01:09:08,415 --> 01:09:11,250
The subcommittee will come to order.

1048
01:09:11,251 --> 01:09:13,218
We are honored
to have representatives

1049
01:09:13,219 --> 01:09:16,219
of both Pearl Jam and
Ticketmaster here with us today.

1050
01:09:17,323 --> 01:09:20,322
The key question is whether
recent contractual agreements

1051
01:09:20,492 --> 01:09:22,893
between Ticketmaster
and most major stadiums

1052
01:09:22,894 --> 01:09:25,894
and concert promoters have violated
federal antitrust laws.

1053
01:09:27,566 --> 01:09:30,565
Who would like to go first? Stone?

1054
01:09:31,335 --> 01:09:33,403
All the members of Pearl Jam
remember what it's like

1055
01:09:33,404 --> 01:09:35,938
to be young
and not have a lot of money.

1056
01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:37,506
Many Pearl Jam fans are teenagers

1057
01:09:37,507 --> 01:09:39,541
who do not have the money
to pay $30 or more

1058
01:09:39,542 --> 01:09:42,377
that is often charged
for tickets today.

1059
01:09:42,378 --> 01:09:43,744
We have made a conscious decision

1060
01:09:43,745 --> 01:09:45,279
that we do not want to put
the price of our concerts

1061
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,881
out of the reach of our fans.

1062
01:09:46,882 --> 01:09:48,749
Mr. Chairman,
this is really about choices.

1063
01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:50,750
Fans can go from one music store
to another

1064
01:09:50,751 --> 01:09:52,752
to find the best deal on a CD,

1065
01:09:52,753 --> 01:09:54,588
but they can't go anywhere
but Ticketmaster

1066
01:09:54,589 --> 01:09:55,989
for concert tickets.

1067
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:58,989
Do you think Ticketmaster
is entitled to a profit?

1068
01:09:59,459 --> 01:10:02,459
l don't think
that question matters, you know.

1069
01:10:03,296 --> 01:10:06,295
You do have a contract
with your record company,

1070
01:10:06,298 --> 01:10:08,766
and it is exclusive. ls that correct?

1071
01:10:08,767 --> 01:10:10,602
l think this line
of questioning is very strange,

1072
01:10:10,603 --> 01:10:13,603
because it seems like what does that
really have to do with anything?

1073
01:10:13,771 --> 01:10:15,939
The issue at hand here
is whether Ticketmaster

1074
01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:18,108
is a monopoly, not whether...

1075
01:10:18,109 --> 01:10:19,610
Or to have anything to do with
our business

1076
01:10:19,611 --> 01:10:21,377
or what our relationship is
with our manager.

1077
01:10:21,378 --> 01:10:23,379
Let's just get it on the record.

1078
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:24,947
-Mr. Horn.
-Now l gather...

1079
01:10:24,948 --> 01:10:27,948
Do you want these guys
to play Long Beach or not?

1080
01:10:28,318 --> 01:10:31,317
What l want is a record.

1081
01:10:32,622 --> 01:10:35,622
What l want is a record here.

1082
01:10:36,192 --> 01:10:38,659
Let's just get it on the record.

1083
01:10:38,660 --> 01:10:41,660
A record here.

1084
01:10:44,365 --> 01:10:47,365
First of all, l want you to know
l think you're just darling guys.

1085
01:10:48,836 --> 01:10:50,503
This is so great.

1086
01:10:50,504 --> 01:10:52,171
When we got involved in this issue,

1087
01:10:52,172 --> 01:10:55,172
l did not know very much, and still
don't, about alternative music.

1088
01:10:56,676 --> 01:10:59,675
After some requests, l tried to learn
some Pearl Jam songs,

1089
01:11:00,512 --> 01:11:03,512
but l think it's a little beyond me.

1090
01:11:04,883 --> 01:11:07,651
Having been a fan
for many, many years,

1091
01:11:07,652 --> 01:11:08,752
l don't want to become

1092
01:11:08,753 --> 01:11:11,188
something that l despised
as a kid, you know.

1093
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:14,189
When my staff told me
we were going to have this hearing,

1094
01:11:14,525 --> 01:11:16,659
l have to tell you,
l knew nothing about grunge,

1095
01:11:16,660 --> 01:11:19,660
but l know a lot about the importance
of fairness and equity,

1096
01:11:20,897 --> 01:11:23,896
and l think you've raised
some very important questions.

1097
01:11:25,167 --> 01:11:27,502
Who were the powers-that-be
that wanted to be perceived

1098
01:11:27,503 --> 01:11:29,070
as putting some pressure
on Ticketmaster?

1099
01:11:29,071 --> 01:11:32,070
lt's like, you know,
those are back-room,

1100
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,641
David Lynch-ian guys in hotel rooms

1101
01:11:34,642 --> 01:11:37,642
who need oxygen tanks, darkened L.A.

1102
01:11:38,845 --> 01:11:40,680
That's who l always think of.

1103
01:11:40,681 --> 01:11:43,681
lt's like, he understands.

1104
01:11:45,185 --> 01:11:47,619
Almost a year after picking its fight
with Ticketmaster,

1105
01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:50,620
Pearl Jam remains alone
among major rock bands

1106
01:11:50,823 --> 01:11:53,024
who could have joined
the Seattle group in its boycott

1107
01:11:53,025 --> 01:11:54,325
but never did.

1108
01:11:54,326 --> 01:11:56,560
lt's just a few lonely voices

1109
01:11:56,561 --> 01:11:59,230
because not many
of the other groups joined up.

1110
01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:01,231
There's no deal
between us and Ticketmaster.

1111
01:12:01,232 --> 01:12:04,232
We're not playing
Ticketmaster shows this summer.

1112
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,715
Shows where we're going
outside of cities

1113
01:12:20,716 --> 01:12:23,618
and building shows
from the ground up,

1114
01:12:23,619 --> 01:12:26,618
that was a really tough time.

1115
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:55,244
We're trying to find how many
counterfeit tickets are out there.

1116
01:12:55,245 --> 01:12:57,446
We saw some people selling tickets.

1117
01:12:57,447 --> 01:12:59,115
So we bought them.
We were all psyched.

1118
01:12:59,116 --> 01:13:01,817
And then we got up to the door,
and they said they were counterfeit.

1119
01:13:01,818 --> 01:13:03,151
Right now,
we're trying to figure out

1120
01:13:03,152 --> 01:13:06,152
how to help these kids
get into the show.

1121
01:13:18,632 --> 01:13:21,632
Let me just leave you
with this observation.

1122
01:13:21,835 --> 01:13:24,003
When art is successful,

1123
01:13:24,004 --> 01:13:27,003
it unavoidably becomes a business.

1124
01:13:27,106 --> 01:13:29,107
The question then is

1125
01:13:29,108 --> 01:13:31,877
whether artists have
an inherent right

1126
01:13:31,878 --> 01:13:34,645
to control the limits
of their business

1127
01:13:34,646 --> 01:13:37,448
and how it relates to
the growth of their art.

1128
01:13:37,449 --> 01:13:40,251
The answer, l'm convinced,

1129
01:13:40,252 --> 01:13:43,251
is that artists do have
a right to that control.

1130
01:13:45,323 --> 01:13:47,657
l think we've always
just fallen into ways

1131
01:13:47,658 --> 01:13:50,657
of doing things the way
we felt they should be done,

1132
01:13:51,161 --> 01:13:53,495
and whether they were right
or whether they were wrong,

1133
01:13:53,496 --> 01:13:56,495
they were just our ways of doing it.

1134
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,335
l've never heard of Pearl Jam,
l must admit.

1135
01:14:00,336 --> 01:14:03,336
That makes two of us.

1136
01:14:04,272 --> 01:14:07,174
And here we are in your fine place.

1137
01:14:07,175 --> 01:14:09,976
And what are the things
that you've kept

1138
01:14:09,977 --> 01:14:12,976
that remind you of the experience
the last 20 years with the band?

1139
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:15,979
l'm sure l've kept the least amount
of things of anyone in the band.

1140
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:18,984
How l've always justified that is,

1141
01:14:18,985 --> 01:14:21,152
one, l lose everything all the time.

1142
01:14:21,153 --> 01:14:23,355
So it comes naturally to me.

1143
01:14:23,356 --> 01:14:26,356
And two, Jeff Ament keeps so much,

1144
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:30,359
and really, if all l have to do
is just maintain

1145
01:14:31,429 --> 01:14:33,530
my good relationship with Jeff Ament,

1146
01:14:33,531 --> 01:14:35,164
l can always go over to his house

1147
01:14:35,165 --> 01:14:37,700
and look through
all the stuff that he has,

1148
01:14:37,701 --> 01:14:40,701
and celebrate
his keeping of the things.

1149
01:14:42,939 --> 01:14:45,939
Pearl Jam in Mexico City

1150
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:50,809
memorial... These are some
of the Mexico City coffee cups.

1151
01:14:51,847 --> 01:14:54,715
So that's a...
lt's a little faded now.

1152
01:14:54,716 --> 01:14:57,715
Because you use it.

1153
01:15:00,287 --> 01:15:03,287
This one clearly needs to go
back in the dishwasher.

1154
01:15:03,324 --> 01:15:04,858
Here's something.

1155
01:15:04,859 --> 01:15:06,859
Mike McCready just sent me this.

1156
01:15:06,860 --> 01:15:09,860
lt's the demos from
Temple of the Dog.

1157
01:15:14,032 --> 01:15:15,733
l've got a few...

1158
01:15:15,734 --> 01:15:18,734
This is a box full of Pearl Jam
''Touring Band'' DVDs.

1159
01:15:20,872 --> 01:15:23,206
And that's 2000.

1160
01:15:23,207 --> 01:15:25,409
l don't know why they're still there.

1161
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:26,877
l haven't... l'm not sure...

1162
01:15:26,878 --> 01:15:29,412
And a few Pearl Jam CDs here,

1163
01:15:29,413 --> 01:15:31,881
the kind of stuff probably
l had someone bring by

1164
01:15:31,882 --> 01:15:34,882
because l was trying to remember
how to play some songs.

1165
01:15:36,218 --> 01:15:39,218
l don't know if there's anything else
in here.

1166
01:15:39,622 --> 01:15:42,622
Let's see here.
Yep, that might be it.

1167
01:15:44,426 --> 01:15:47,426
There might be something
in the basement.

1168
01:15:49,397 --> 01:15:52,396
Lookit. There's a Grammy.

1169
01:15:53,567 --> 01:15:56,567
l knew this was gonna come in handy.

1170
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:22,989
You can tell how l feel
about the Grammys.

1171
01:16:29,798 --> 01:16:31,032
You know, at the Grammys,

1172
01:16:31,033 --> 01:16:33,234
l was having kind of a bad day.

1173
01:16:33,235 --> 01:16:34,635
l was getting thrown out
by security people

1174
01:16:34,636 --> 01:16:36,103
for trying to sneak a cigarette
in the backstage,

1175
01:16:36,104 --> 01:16:39,103
and you couldn't go out because
of all the photographers there.

1176
01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:40,340
So that was part of it.

1177
01:16:40,341 --> 01:16:43,341
Spin the Black Circle, Pearl Jam.

1178
01:16:46,146 --> 01:16:47,580
l hate to start off with a bang.

1179
01:16:47,581 --> 01:16:49,248
l'm gonna say something typically me

1180
01:16:49,249 --> 01:16:51,317
on behalf of all of us.
l don't know what this means.

1181
01:16:51,318 --> 01:16:54,317
l don't think it means anything.

1182
01:16:57,490 --> 01:17:00,489
That's just how l feel.

1183
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:11,501
l remember arguing with
tons of my friends,

1184
01:17:11,502 --> 01:17:12,969
because my friends were like,

1185
01:17:12,970 --> 01:17:14,504
''Man, what the fuck
was your boy doing?

1186
01:17:14,505 --> 01:17:15,904
''Like, if he doesn't want
to be there,

1187
01:17:15,905 --> 01:17:17,672
''then he shouldn't be there,''
and kind of all this stuff.

1188
01:17:17,673 --> 01:17:19,140
And l was kind of like,
''Fuck you, man.''

1189
01:17:19,141 --> 01:17:21,076
Like, what does it mean, you know?

1190
01:17:21,077 --> 01:17:22,244
Like, are you fucking kidding me?

1191
01:17:22,245 --> 01:17:25,244
You get an award for art?
Like, that's just ridiculous.

1192
01:17:27,849 --> 01:17:30,848
Like, if l would have had the balls,
l would have said the same thing.

1193
01:17:38,158 --> 01:17:40,526
l should have started a fight
right there.

1194
01:17:40,527 --> 01:17:43,527
lt would have been
much more exciting.

1195
01:17:48,534 --> 01:17:51,102
What would all these young people
be doing

1196
01:17:51,103 --> 01:17:54,102
if they had real problems
like a depression or Vietnam?

1197
01:17:55,006 --> 01:17:56,239
Do they work at all?

1198
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,707
Are they contributing anything

1199
01:17:57,708 --> 01:18:00,708
to the world
they're taking so much from?

1200
01:18:20,194 --> 01:18:22,396
lt was kind of around
the Ticketmaster tour.

1201
01:18:22,397 --> 01:18:25,396
The four of us, Jack, Stone,
Jeff, and l were traveling in a jet.

1202
01:18:27,467 --> 01:18:30,336
Eddie was traveling in a van,
doing a radio show,

1203
01:18:30,337 --> 01:18:33,336
and then driving all night
to the next show.

1204
01:18:33,973 --> 01:18:36,041
So there was
a huge physical disconnect,

1205
01:18:36,042 --> 01:18:37,809
but also an emotional one.

1206
01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:40,044
And nobody was
kind of really talking.

1207
01:18:40,045 --> 01:18:42,146
He was trying to maintain something

1208
01:18:42,147 --> 01:18:45,147
that was more a Fugazi or
do-it-yourself type mentality.

1209
01:18:47,052 --> 01:18:50,051
You know, and we loved them,
but we weren't that band.

1210
01:18:52,389 --> 01:18:54,591
We needed to sit down
with him and go, ''Look,

1211
01:18:54,592 --> 01:18:56,592
''are you embarrassed by us?

1212
01:18:56,593 --> 01:18:59,593
''Do you want to be
in the band anymore?''

1213
01:19:00,263 --> 01:19:02,897
We thought we were
going to break up essentially.

1214
01:19:02,898 --> 01:19:05,898
l thought... l thought
that was going to happen.

1215
01:19:10,404 --> 01:19:13,404
And we all agreed we needed to
take some time off and figure it out.

1216
01:19:17,945 --> 01:19:20,613
That's highway 200,
and we're like right...

1217
01:19:20,614 --> 01:19:23,248
We just passed Ovando.

1218
01:19:23,249 --> 01:19:25,683
We're headed towards Lincoln.

1219
01:19:25,684 --> 01:19:27,619
And then we just keep going
to the northeast.

1220
01:19:27,620 --> 01:19:30,254
That's the spot right there,
Big Sandy.

1221
01:19:30,255 --> 01:19:32,957
That's your hometown?

1222
01:19:32,958 --> 01:19:35,957
This is the middle of nowhere, man.

1223
01:19:42,065 --> 01:19:44,100
l was sort of pissed off
at my parents

1224
01:19:44,101 --> 01:19:47,101
for making me live in
this desolate...

1225
01:19:47,571 --> 01:19:49,904
l mean, l was hundreds of miles away

1226
01:19:49,905 --> 01:19:52,905
from anybody
that l could even relate to.

1227
01:19:57,345 --> 01:19:58,946
l was ready to leave at about 14.

1228
01:19:58,947 --> 01:20:00,280
A couple trips to California,

1229
01:20:00,281 --> 01:20:03,281
like, really fucked me up.

1230
01:20:05,819 --> 01:20:07,820
My mom's brother, my uncle Pat,

1231
01:20:07,821 --> 01:20:09,422
he had long hair,

1232
01:20:09,423 --> 01:20:11,990
and he had tapestries up in his room,

1233
01:20:11,991 --> 01:20:13,659
and he'd put the headphones on me,

1234
01:20:13,660 --> 01:20:15,661
and he'd play, like,
Abraxas by Santana,

1235
01:20:15,662 --> 01:20:18,662
and it would just blow my mind.

1236
01:20:20,599 --> 01:20:23,599
l remember just getting, like,
a huge buzz off of it, like,

1237
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:26,669
and getting, like, kind of emotional.

1238
01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:32,342
And l would go out
and try to look for records.

1239
01:20:32,343 --> 01:20:35,310
lt was really hard to find. There was
no record store in our town.

1240
01:20:35,311 --> 01:20:37,680
So l started subscribing to
Circus and Cream magazine,

1241
01:20:37,681 --> 01:20:40,015
and my uncle got
Rolling Stone magazine.

1242
01:20:40,016 --> 01:20:43,015
And l mean, you'd study that stuff.

1243
01:20:45,087 --> 01:20:48,056
ln a lot of those punk-rock records,
you could really hear bass, you know.

1244
01:20:48,057 --> 01:20:50,057
You could fucking hear Dee Dee
on those Ramones records.

1245
01:20:50,058 --> 01:20:52,392
You know, he was on the right side,
and Johnny was on the left side.

1246
01:20:52,393 --> 01:20:53,560
So if you were trying
to learn the songs,

1247
01:20:53,561 --> 01:20:55,862
you could just turn the dial over
to the right side

1248
01:20:55,863 --> 01:20:58,862
and learn all of Dee Dee's parts.

1249
01:21:01,802 --> 01:21:03,669
l moved to Seattle in 1983,

1250
01:21:03,670 --> 01:21:05,904
and l think all l wanted to do
up to that point

1251
01:21:05,905 --> 01:21:07,172
was to live in a bigger city

1252
01:21:07,173 --> 01:21:10,041
where there was
more like-minded people

1253
01:21:10,042 --> 01:21:13,041
and more culture
and a punk-rock show,

1254
01:21:13,078 --> 01:21:15,045
if l wanted to go see a cool movie.

1255
01:21:15,046 --> 01:21:16,513
There were all these...
You know, ''Eraserhead.''

1256
01:21:16,514 --> 01:21:18,115
l was hearing about all these movies

1257
01:21:18,116 --> 01:21:21,115
that l never got a chance to see.

1258
01:21:24,722 --> 01:21:27,390
l don't know if it was
the first contact, it must have been,

1259
01:21:27,391 --> 01:21:30,292
was from Jeff,

1260
01:21:30,293 --> 01:21:33,293
and l do remember there being a...

1261
01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:35,931
A real connection made on the phone,

1262
01:21:35,932 --> 01:21:38,931
and talking about artwork,
how he was into artwork,

1263
01:21:39,568 --> 01:21:41,936
and your responsibilities
as a band member

1264
01:21:41,937 --> 01:21:44,936
or working with people that get
that it's not a slacker job,

1265
01:21:45,973 --> 01:21:48,973
or it's not a rock star thing,
or it's not...

1266
01:21:49,477 --> 01:21:51,376
lt's about music. lt's about art.

1267
01:21:51,377 --> 01:21:53,612
lt's about...
We had all these things in common,

1268
01:21:53,613 --> 01:21:56,613
which is probably why
we ended up roommates

1269
01:21:57,383 --> 01:21:59,217
when we first started touring.

1270
01:21:59,218 --> 01:22:02,218
l think that we just connected
and became really close.

1271
01:22:11,963 --> 01:22:14,962
lt's amazing now to look back.

1272
01:22:26,575 --> 01:22:28,676
l remember when
Ed first came to town.

1273
01:22:28,677 --> 01:22:29,877
lt seemed like it was something

1274
01:22:29,878 --> 01:22:32,379
that he had been kind of
waiting for his whole life,

1275
01:22:32,380 --> 01:22:34,114
and it was obvious
within the first few minutes

1276
01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:37,115
that it was something that
l'd been waiting for also.

1277
01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:56,801
l think it would be a very easy band

1278
01:22:56,802 --> 01:22:58,869
in some ways for us not to be a band,

1279
01:22:58,870 --> 01:23:01,271
and nobody can really kind of
put a finger on what it is

1280
01:23:01,272 --> 01:23:03,807
that, you know, kind of keeps us
coming back together,

1281
01:23:03,808 --> 01:23:06,808
but it's a strange marriage.

1282
01:23:19,021 --> 01:23:22,021
l met Mike McCready
when l was in seventh grade.

1283
01:23:22,391 --> 01:23:24,891
He was good.
You know, he played solos

1284
01:23:24,892 --> 01:23:27,360
and had a whammy bar and, like,
could do the...

1285
01:23:27,361 --> 01:23:28,595
And all this stuff.

1286
01:23:28,596 --> 01:23:30,297
l had lived in Los Angeles,

1287
01:23:30,298 --> 01:23:32,832
trying to make it in my band
Shadow in 1986 for a year,

1288
01:23:32,833 --> 01:23:35,000
and l paid to play,
paid to play at The Roxy,

1289
01:23:35,001 --> 01:23:38,001
$700 on a Sunday night in December.
And there was five people there.

1290
01:23:43,342 --> 01:23:45,677
So l struggled and went through that,

1291
01:23:45,678 --> 01:23:48,111
and l gave up
playing music for a little while,

1292
01:23:48,112 --> 01:23:51,112
moved back to Seattle and said,
''l can't. l'm done.''

1293
01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:55,049
And then, lo and behold, l get
a call out of the blue from Stone.

1294
01:23:55,152 --> 01:23:56,953
l got to see him play at a party
one night

1295
01:23:56,954 --> 01:23:58,654
when he was just sitting around

1296
01:23:58,655 --> 01:24:00,323
and playing lead guitar with somebody

1297
01:24:00,324 --> 01:24:03,258
and was just, in the way
that he does, unconsciously,

1298
01:24:03,259 --> 01:24:06,259
giving you these jolts.

1299
01:24:30,483 --> 01:24:33,217
He's channeling stuff
that sounds like

1300
01:24:33,218 --> 01:24:35,219
it's coming from the fucking heavens,

1301
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:37,221
but l think it's coming from inside.

1302
01:24:37,222 --> 01:24:40,221
There's something spiritual
about the way he plays.

1303
01:24:45,930 --> 01:24:48,929
And that's when he's in tune
with the good stuff, you know.

1304
01:25:01,076 --> 01:25:04,075
As you know, the song Reach Down,
which was the second song l wrote

1305
01:25:04,245 --> 01:25:06,013
for the Temple of the Dog record,

1306
01:25:06,014 --> 01:25:09,014
l wanted it to be sort of like
a Neil Young,

1307
01:25:09,918 --> 01:25:11,083
''Fuck you to the world of people

1308
01:25:11,084 --> 01:25:12,385
''who don't want to hear
a guitar solo.

1309
01:25:12,386 --> 01:25:15,386
''l'm gonna make an 1 1 or 1 2-minute
song that's mostly guitar solo,

1310
01:25:15,555 --> 01:25:16,923
''and that's gonna be
the first song on the album,

1311
01:25:16,924 --> 01:25:18,324
''and you can fuck off.''

1312
01:25:18,325 --> 01:25:20,258
When l heard Cready play guitar,

1313
01:25:20,259 --> 01:25:22,394
l was like,
''We're gonna pull it off for real.

1314
01:25:22,395 --> 01:25:24,396
''This isn't gonna be a joke.
He can actually fucking play.''

1315
01:25:24,397 --> 01:25:25,730
Because l couldn't.

1316
01:25:25,731 --> 01:25:28,399
He went out of his mind.

1317
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,400
this guy's a...
he's a fucking rock star.

1318
01:25:31,736 --> 01:25:33,370
Like, he's got problems,

1319
01:25:33,371 --> 01:25:35,939
and we just thought
he was a nice little kid.

1320
01:25:35,940 --> 01:25:38,940
And he's got something in there,
like, he's infected,

1321
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:42,409
and that's gonna come out
again somewhere. Good luck, guys.

1322
01:25:43,079 --> 01:25:45,414
He knows me. That's...

1323
01:25:45,415 --> 01:25:48,415
l would say that's 100 accurate.

1324
01:26:08,134 --> 01:26:10,970
Eddie said,
''Ask Mike about the drummers.''

1325
01:26:10,971 --> 01:26:12,437
Ask me about the drummers?

1326
01:26:12,438 --> 01:26:15,438
Yeah. He says, ''Mike will
give you the drummers rap.''

1327
01:26:17,242 --> 01:26:19,710
Here we go.

1328
01:26:19,711 --> 01:26:21,912
We started out with Dave Krusen.
lt didn't work out.

1329
01:26:21,913 --> 01:26:24,147
Matt Chamberlain,
he didn't want to go on the road.

1330
01:26:24,148 --> 01:26:25,382
He knew of a drummer
named Dave Abbruzzese.

1331
01:26:25,383 --> 01:26:28,382
lt's very Spinal Tap of us
to have this many drummers.

1332
01:26:29,152 --> 01:26:30,353
Jack lrons.

1333
01:26:30,354 --> 01:26:31,787
-Good drummer.
-Great look. Good drummer.

1334
01:26:31,788 --> 01:26:34,788
Jack was the guy that gave the tape
that he got from Stone to Ed.

1335
01:26:34,791 --> 01:26:36,324
Ed wanted to repay that favor

1336
01:26:36,325 --> 01:26:38,159
and say, ''Hey,
you want to come and try out?''

1337
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,328
And we toured with him
after we did Yield,

1338
01:26:40,329 --> 01:26:41,529
and he played on that whole record.

1339
01:26:41,530 --> 01:26:44,131
That's when it was starting to
get too much for Jack.

1340
01:26:44,132 --> 01:26:46,033
He called up
and said that he couldn't tour.

1341
01:26:46,034 --> 01:26:47,201
We already had a tour booked.

1342
01:26:47,202 --> 01:26:50,202
Who can we call that can do that?
Matt Cameron.

1343
01:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,473
Soundgarden had broken up,
so Ed called him.

1344
01:26:53,474 --> 01:26:54,807
Eddie, what's going on?

1345
01:26:54,808 --> 01:26:56,342
And he's like, ''Hey,
what are you doing this summer?''

1346
01:26:56,343 --> 01:26:57,643
Nothing.

1347
01:26:57,644 --> 01:26:59,478
We need to leave in three weeks.

1348
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,479
-ln 10 days, he learned 80 songs.
-They had a list of, like, 60 or 70.

1349
01:27:02,482 --> 01:27:03,648
Something crazy like that.

1350
01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:05,484
l would just sort of, like,
close my eyes,

1351
01:27:05,485 --> 01:27:07,018
and l'd go like that,
and it was like,

1352
01:27:07,019 --> 01:27:10,019
''Okay, do l know that song?''
lt's like, ''No!''

1353
01:27:10,389 --> 01:27:13,388
Matt Cameron made us
a better band than we've ever been.

1354
01:27:19,630 --> 01:27:21,663
When we'd... We'd have to switch,

1355
01:27:21,664 --> 01:27:23,665
let's say, a drummer or something,

1356
01:27:23,666 --> 01:27:25,367
you do it out of survival mode.

1357
01:27:25,368 --> 01:27:27,536
lt's just like removing an organ.

1358
01:27:27,537 --> 01:27:29,504
And when you remove,
like, the drummer,

1359
01:27:29,505 --> 01:27:31,572
you're removing, like, the heart.

1360
01:27:31,573 --> 01:27:34,573
So it's like
you had a heart transplant.

1361
01:27:51,224 --> 01:27:54,059
Binaural is a dark time for me
for sure,

1362
01:27:54,060 --> 01:27:55,693
because l had my Crohn's.
l have Crohn's disease.

1363
01:27:55,694 --> 01:27:57,228
l was struggling with that,

1364
01:27:57,229 --> 01:27:59,230
struggling with addiction.

1365
01:27:59,231 --> 01:28:02,066
l was taking pills
to take care of that,

1366
01:28:02,067 --> 01:28:04,201
and then that got out of hand.

1367
01:28:04,202 --> 01:28:07,201
For me, it was a struggle, for sure.

1368
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,141
ln the early years,
we had those transcendent shows

1369
01:28:12,142 --> 01:28:14,410
where it was just like
everybody was drunk,

1370
01:28:14,411 --> 01:28:16,711
and it was just
the ''lose your mind'' shows.

1371
01:28:16,712 --> 01:28:18,413
Everybody lose your mind
at once, you know.

1372
01:28:18,414 --> 01:28:20,315
lt was harder to lose your mind
at that point

1373
01:28:20,316 --> 01:28:23,084
because everyone was more like,
''l'm 32.

1374
01:28:23,085 --> 01:28:25,553
''You know,
we've got some records out.

1375
01:28:25,554 --> 01:28:28,089
''l've got this relationship,
or you know...''

1376
01:28:28,090 --> 01:28:29,590
We just became more self-conscious

1377
01:28:29,591 --> 01:28:32,492
and more aware as you do
as you're an adult,

1378
01:28:32,493 --> 01:28:35,095
but it's more difficult
to kind of go, ''Okay.

1379
01:28:35,096 --> 01:28:38,095
''We got to just go out
and get crazy.''

1380
01:28:39,899 --> 01:28:42,267
And around this time,
l think we were...

1381
01:28:42,268 --> 01:28:44,269
You know, we were less popular.

1382
01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:46,270
l don't think
we were doing any press.

1383
01:28:46,271 --> 01:28:47,905
We'd have meetings
about those things.

1384
01:28:47,906 --> 01:28:50,274
lt's like, ''How far are we
gonna do press on this tour?

1385
01:28:50,275 --> 01:28:51,976
''Are we gonna do this?
Are we gonna do that?

1386
01:28:51,977 --> 01:28:53,743
''Or are we not going to
do any of it?''

1387
01:28:53,744 --> 01:28:56,744
And when you don't do any of it
and the changing times,

1388
01:28:56,747 --> 01:28:59,747
you know, you fluctuate,
people get over you, you know.

1389
01:28:59,750 --> 01:29:02,585
That's probably around that time
Binaural is.

1390
01:29:02,586 --> 01:29:04,954
Maybe people were like, ''Okay.
We're kind of over these guys.

1391
01:29:04,955 --> 01:29:07,955
''What's next?'' you know.

1392
01:29:13,329 --> 01:29:15,763
But some people stayed with us

1393
01:29:15,764 --> 01:29:18,763
because we stayed true
to whatever our vision was.

1394
01:29:25,372 --> 01:29:28,372
How important
is commercial success to you?

1395
01:29:29,409 --> 01:29:32,408
Does grunge still exist today?

1396
01:29:49,293 --> 01:29:52,293
How did the second 10 years happen?

1397
01:29:53,531 --> 01:29:55,998
You did survive.

1398
01:29:55,999 --> 01:29:58,999
And what are the turning points
to you?

1399
01:30:01,171 --> 01:30:03,504
Change your position. Moving back.

1400
01:30:03,505 --> 01:30:06,505
We still have a problem here.

1401
01:30:06,508 --> 01:30:09,410
lt's one of Europe's
worst concert tragedies.

1402
01:30:09,411 --> 01:30:10,977
The band had stopped playing
just before the incident.

1403
01:30:10,978 --> 01:30:13,978
Deadly trouble in the shape of
a crowd 40,000 to 50,000 strong.

1404
01:30:15,917 --> 01:30:18,916
There has been a lot
of pushing and pressure up here,

1405
01:30:19,019 --> 01:30:22,019
and 10 to 15 people
have been badly hurt.

1406
01:30:22,355 --> 01:30:24,523
We don't know how bad yet.

1407
01:30:24,524 --> 01:30:26,658
Tragedy occurred in the rain and mud

1408
01:30:26,659 --> 01:30:29,659
late Friday night at the annual
''Roskilde Rock Festival''

1409
01:30:30,362 --> 01:30:32,664
outside the Danish capital,
Copenhagen,

1410
01:30:32,664 --> 01:30:35,664
when rock fans surged forward
during a performance

1411
01:30:36,367 --> 01:30:39,367
by the American group Pearl Jam.

1412
01:30:45,175 --> 01:30:47,043
Fans at the outdoor rock concert

1413
01:30:47,044 --> 01:30:48,777
packed closer and closer
to the stage,

1414
01:30:48,778 --> 01:30:51,778
ending in a crush that killed
nine people and injured three more.

1415
01:30:57,018 --> 01:31:00,018
l just wanted to get out of there.

1416
01:31:00,422 --> 01:31:03,421
l just didn't want it to be true.

1417
01:31:04,291 --> 01:31:05,692
lt was happening
right in front of us,

1418
01:31:05,693 --> 01:31:08,693
but l just didn't want it to be true.

1419
01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:19,034
And something as horrific
and as shocking

1420
01:31:20,706 --> 01:31:22,406
as people being pulled
over the barricade

1421
01:31:22,407 --> 01:31:24,041
that aren't alive anymore,

1422
01:31:24,042 --> 01:31:27,041
what the impact of that was on us

1423
01:31:27,178 --> 01:31:30,178
is, you know,
it will never really go away.

1424
01:31:31,048 --> 01:31:34,047
From that point on,
we rethought everything.

1425
01:31:42,725 --> 01:31:44,425
l didn't know what l was feeling,
you know.

1426
01:31:44,426 --> 01:31:47,426
l think l had such an onslaught
of confusion that...

1427
01:31:48,998 --> 01:31:50,897
l mean,
the last time that l felt like that

1428
01:31:50,898 --> 01:31:52,599
was when Andy Wood died, and...

1429
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,600
l didn't know if l wanted
to play music anymore.

1430
01:32:23,460 --> 01:32:26,095
You know, l think we kind of quantify
everything that's happened to us

1431
01:32:26,096 --> 01:32:29,095
as pre ''Roskilde''
and after ''Roskilde,'' and...

1432
01:32:32,468 --> 01:32:35,467
You know, if early on there was
the birth or the beginning of ''No,''

1433
01:32:37,306 --> 01:32:40,306
for us Roskilde was
the beginning of ''What?''

1434
01:32:41,710 --> 01:32:43,777
What are we doing?

1435
01:32:43,778 --> 01:32:46,778
What do we do to assist the families?

1436
01:32:47,381 --> 01:32:49,316
And what have we become?

1437
01:32:49,317 --> 01:32:52,316
And what do we...
What do we do to survive?

1438
01:32:55,655 --> 01:32:58,654
l think even since Roskilde in 2000,

1439
01:32:59,792 --> 01:33:02,792
l think that made everybody get
into a real unique perspective

1440
01:33:03,996 --> 01:33:06,995
on where we were at
and how fragile life is,

1441
01:33:07,932 --> 01:33:09,666
and l think ever since then,
every once in a while,

1442
01:33:09,667 --> 01:33:12,667
we'll just say to one another,
like, ''Can you believe it?

1443
01:33:12,970 --> 01:33:15,969
''Can you believe
we're still doing this?''

1444
01:33:21,144 --> 01:33:23,678
When l interviewed the band in 1993

1445
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:26,679
for Rolling Stone magazine,
l asked Eddie Vedder

1446
01:33:26,682 --> 01:33:28,149
if there was an Andy Wood song

1447
01:33:28,150 --> 01:33:30,451
he would ever
be interested in singing.

1448
01:33:30,452 --> 01:33:33,452
He said there was one
and one day he would sing it.

1449
01:33:35,757 --> 01:33:38,756
On the band's 10th anniversary
show in Las Vegas,

1450
01:33:39,193 --> 01:33:42,193
he announced to the group that
he wanted to sing Crown of Thorns,

1451
01:33:42,363 --> 01:33:45,163
one of Mother Love Bone's
greatest songs.

1452
01:33:45,164 --> 01:33:48,164
And in that moment,
the two bands united.

1453
01:33:50,236 --> 01:33:52,370
We wouldn't...

1454
01:33:52,371 --> 01:33:55,371
We wouldn't mind attempting something

1455
01:33:55,374 --> 01:33:58,374
that's even older than 10 years.

1456
01:34:35,575 --> 01:34:38,574
For Ed to kind of
acknowledge the past and sort of say,

1457
01:34:38,744 --> 01:34:40,211
''Yeah, this is part of
where we came from,''

1458
01:34:40,212 --> 01:34:42,947
and that he would be generous to Jeff
and l and say, ''Yeah, of course.''

1459
01:34:42,948 --> 01:34:45,947
That was another huge, huge gift.

1460
01:34:51,423 --> 01:34:54,123
l used to think of Andy all the time,

1461
01:34:54,124 --> 01:34:56,125
especially when the band got bigger,

1462
01:34:56,126 --> 01:34:57,827
because l used to think,

1463
01:34:57,828 --> 01:35:00,430
''He would have loved
to play this place.

1464
01:35:00,431 --> 01:35:02,431
''He would have loved
to play this place.

1465
01:35:02,432 --> 01:35:05,432
''He'd love to play The Garden.''

1466
01:35:05,668 --> 01:35:08,667
He would have tore this shit up.

1467
01:35:58,981 --> 01:36:01,249
And l wrote down on this paper
''Andy and Ed,''

1468
01:36:01,250 --> 01:36:03,484
just because l think about Andy
all the time,

1469
01:36:03,485 --> 01:36:05,319
and in the creative process,
l always think about

1470
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,255
how lucky l am to still be able
to, like, you know,

1471
01:36:08,256 --> 01:36:11,255
go in my basement or, like, pick up
a guitar and, like, write a song

1472
01:36:11,558 --> 01:36:13,125
and then manifest it if l want,

1473
01:36:13,126 --> 01:36:16,126
figure out how to, like,
record it or whatever, and that...

1474
01:36:16,630 --> 01:36:18,864
That's kind of all he ever hoped for,

1475
01:36:18,865 --> 01:36:20,832
is just somebody
that would just record him

1476
01:36:20,833 --> 01:36:22,834
and, like, some group of guys
that would just, you know,

1477
01:36:22,835 --> 01:36:25,834
play these songs for him
or whatever, and l...

1478
01:36:26,371 --> 01:36:29,371
l wish that we could go back in time
and be the band for him.

1479
01:36:53,996 --> 01:36:56,995
He was playing in those places
in his head...

1480
01:36:59,834 --> 01:37:01,167
...for a long time.

1481
01:37:01,168 --> 01:37:04,167
So the thing is,
is he got to play them.

1482
01:37:15,548 --> 01:37:18,548
Andy.

1483
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:51,444
We played a show in Nassau.

1484
01:37:51,445 --> 01:37:54,080
l would say three-quarters
of the crowd fucking booed us.

1485
01:37:54,081 --> 01:37:56,583
lt actually really bummed
some of the band out.

1486
01:37:56,584 --> 01:37:59,583
They were just, like, ''l never
want to play that song again.''

1487
01:38:00,753 --> 01:38:03,753
l actually fucking dug it.
lt was art.

1488
01:38:10,696 --> 01:38:13,163
l remember there was
a fireman in the front row,

1489
01:38:13,164 --> 01:38:14,798
and he was, like,
showing me his badge.

1490
01:38:14,799 --> 01:38:17,267
Fuck you, asshole!

1491
01:38:17,268 --> 01:38:19,603
lt was just a bad time
in American history in my mind,

1492
01:38:19,604 --> 01:38:22,603
and we were trying to say
what we thought.

1493
01:38:27,043 --> 01:38:29,444
When you know the crowd has turned

1494
01:38:29,445 --> 01:38:30,945
and there are that many people,

1495
01:38:30,946 --> 01:38:33,946
it just feels like you might not
make it out of there alive.

1496
01:38:39,787 --> 01:38:41,855
That was Ed
really trusting his instincts

1497
01:38:41,856 --> 01:38:44,855
about a very specific thing
that he needed to say,

1498
01:38:45,025 --> 01:38:48,025
and he wanted to do it in a way
that was antagonistic.

1499
01:38:53,299 --> 01:38:55,634
l think if you have the opportunity,

1500
01:38:55,635 --> 01:38:58,635
you have to... You have to
take on that responsibility.

1501
01:39:28,463 --> 01:39:31,131
You didn't like that one.

1502
01:39:31,132 --> 01:39:33,566
lt's great to be in a band

1503
01:39:33,567 --> 01:39:35,468
where, you know,
we're not afraid to do that,

1504
01:39:35,469 --> 01:39:38,303
not afraid to speak our minds

1505
01:39:38,304 --> 01:39:41,304
and get booed once in a while.
lt's all right.

1506
01:39:44,277 --> 01:39:46,244
lt was an uncertain time
for Pearl Jam,

1507
01:39:46,245 --> 01:39:49,245
a period when many bands
quietly break up and move on.

1508
01:39:49,448 --> 01:39:51,315
But from the beginning,
Stone and Jeff

1509
01:39:51,316 --> 01:39:53,150
had always wanted a band
that would last,

1510
01:39:53,151 --> 01:39:56,019
one that would keep writing
and recording music,

1511
01:39:56,020 --> 01:39:58,989
and that's what Pearl Jam did.

1512
01:39:58,990 --> 01:40:01,490
Show by show, they became

1513
01:40:01,491 --> 01:40:04,491
one of the most dependably
unpredictable bands in rock.

1514
01:40:06,897 --> 01:40:09,896
Ed has a feeling pretty
much everywhere that we play,

1515
01:40:11,233 --> 01:40:13,034
and it's such a great gauge of,
you know,

1516
01:40:13,035 --> 01:40:15,536
how the crowd's feeling,
and that's, a lot of times,

1517
01:40:15,537 --> 01:40:17,337
why the set list
doesn't get done until...

1518
01:40:17,338 --> 01:40:20,338
l mean, oftentimes, it's done
10 minutes before we play.

1519
01:40:20,875 --> 01:40:23,176
As difficult as it was
at different times,

1520
01:40:23,177 --> 01:40:26,177
where you're like, ''We can
go out and kill this crowd.

1521
01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:27,814
''We can go out
and kill them right now.

1522
01:40:27,815 --> 01:40:29,515
''Let's just start out
with these five songs.''

1523
01:40:29,516 --> 01:40:32,484
And you know...
''Yeah. No. We're gonna go on,

1524
01:40:32,485 --> 01:40:35,485
''we're gonna play this one
to start out with.''

1525
01:40:38,091 --> 01:40:40,524
''We haven't played
this one together, but let's...

1526
01:40:40,525 --> 01:40:42,893
''We'll work it out backstage.
lt'll be fine.''

1527
01:40:42,894 --> 01:40:44,729
And inevitably, you're so nervous

1528
01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:46,062
that you go out there and fumble it,

1529
01:40:46,063 --> 01:40:48,198
and then you're like,
''God! Let me just...

1530
01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:51,199
''Let's play a hit, you know.''

1531
01:40:55,371 --> 01:40:58,371
You know, it would be a lot easier
to play a similar set every night.

1532
01:40:58,408 --> 01:41:00,909
lt would just be so much easier,

1533
01:41:00,910 --> 01:41:03,909
and yet we can't find it
in ourselves to do that.

1534
01:41:15,757 --> 01:41:18,424
That's why you see Pearl Jam.

1535
01:41:18,425 --> 01:41:20,760
lt's fucking different every night.

1536
01:41:20,761 --> 01:41:23,761
Every night it's different.

1537
01:41:26,265 --> 01:41:29,100
lt's funny, but lots
of those decisions we made,

1538
01:41:29,101 --> 01:41:31,770
it took 10 years to see
why they were good.

1539
01:41:31,771 --> 01:41:33,237
ln that regard, you know,

1540
01:41:33,238 --> 01:41:34,938
mixing our set list up every night,

1541
01:41:34,939 --> 01:41:36,640
it's the greatest blessing
we could have ever done.

1542
01:41:36,641 --> 01:41:39,641
The door is so open for us
to be who we are every night

1543
01:41:40,944 --> 01:41:43,944
that we just trust it.

1544
01:41:58,226 --> 01:42:00,127
You know, l think that all of us

1545
01:42:00,128 --> 01:42:01,796
have been totally influenced
by the seventies.

1546
01:42:01,797 --> 01:42:04,197
We're all, like, products of it,
but yet we're not, like, stuck in it.

1547
01:42:04,198 --> 01:42:07,198
Our classic guitar heroes,
you know, like Hendrix for Mike

1548
01:42:07,468 --> 01:42:08,902
and, like, Jimmy Page for me,

1549
01:42:08,903 --> 01:42:11,270
and, like, for Eddie, it's like
he totally loved The Who.

1550
01:42:11,271 --> 01:42:12,971
The Who was
the greatest rock band ever.

1551
01:42:12,972 --> 01:42:14,973
lt's like all these bands,
so in a sense,

1552
01:42:14,974 --> 01:42:17,974
it's a total tribute
to the seventies.

1553
01:42:40,030 --> 01:42:43,029
Roger Daltrey wrote me a letter
saying would l like to come play,

1554
01:42:43,499 --> 01:42:46,499
and l told him no way,
because that's it.

1555
01:42:46,702 --> 01:42:48,836
That's the ultimate.
That's the pinnacle for me,

1556
01:42:48,837 --> 01:42:50,170
is that band, you know,

1557
01:42:50,171 --> 01:42:53,171
that arrow on the mod sign, you know.

1558
01:42:54,008 --> 01:42:57,007
We have to decide whether or not
we're going to remain a circus act.

1559
01:42:58,679 --> 01:43:00,479
ln other words, doing what everybody

1560
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,480
knows we can do and what
we know we can do. Right?

1561
01:43:04,083 --> 01:43:07,083
Until the band eventually
turns into a cabaret act,

1562
01:43:07,286 --> 01:43:09,521
-which is inevitable.
-No, that's ridiculous!

1563
01:43:09,522 --> 01:43:12,189
Here's me and Johnny Ramone.
l'm wearing a Bob Dole mask.

1564
01:43:12,190 --> 01:43:13,290
Uncle Neil.

1565
01:43:13,291 --> 01:43:15,326
This is me and Joe Strummer.

1566
01:43:15,327 --> 01:43:17,061
And that's the night l met
Jack lrons.

1567
01:43:17,062 --> 01:43:18,495
This was hanging in a dressing room.

1568
01:43:18,496 --> 01:43:21,197
lt was actually the first night
l had met Pete.

1569
01:43:21,198 --> 01:43:22,465
l was terrified.

1570
01:43:22,466 --> 01:43:24,667
And the first thing he said was,

1571
01:43:24,668 --> 01:43:27,667
''l've waited so long to meet you.''

1572
01:43:40,849 --> 01:43:43,848
Now we're just grateful
for our band and who we are

1573
01:43:44,218 --> 01:43:46,953
and what we've become,

1574
01:43:46,954 --> 01:43:49,954
and grateful that we finally
figured out how to do it.

1575
01:43:52,058 --> 01:43:53,659
l think that there was a huge element

1576
01:43:53,660 --> 01:43:56,495
of our fans
that just kind of carried us

1577
01:43:56,496 --> 01:43:59,495
through a period of time where
we were not there all the way.

1578
01:44:00,132 --> 01:44:02,901
You see their belief,
and even when you don't have it,

1579
01:44:02,902 --> 01:44:05,901
you go,
''Okay. l've got to figure this out.''

1580
01:44:10,074 --> 01:44:12,776
Joining the band,
l was super impressed

1581
01:44:12,777 --> 01:44:14,543
with how in-house everything is.

1582
01:44:14,544 --> 01:44:17,544
Like, there's no outside
influence going on, you know.

1583
01:44:17,915 --> 01:44:19,916
lt's like it all comes from the band.

1584
01:44:19,917 --> 01:44:22,916
They saved me in a certain way.

1585
01:44:35,263 --> 01:44:38,262
You know, we've been doing it
for 10 records or 20 years,

1586
01:44:38,933 --> 01:44:41,067
and l can't think of a show
where l ever felt

1587
01:44:41,068 --> 01:44:44,067
like l was just phoning it in.

1588
01:44:44,103 --> 01:44:47,103
lt's always pure stoke,
you know, like...

1589
01:44:53,946 --> 01:44:56,580
l think that there really is, like,

1590
01:44:56,581 --> 01:44:59,580
a collective understanding
of how lucky and how fortunate we are

1591
01:45:00,952 --> 01:45:03,286
to still be playing music
with the same group of people.

1592
01:45:03,287 --> 01:45:04,955
l mean, everybody, you can feel it,

1593
01:45:04,956 --> 01:45:07,955
and it makes being in a band a joy.

1594
01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:31,608
There's a... This communal exchange.

1595
01:45:32,446 --> 01:45:34,313
And there's obviously a line drawn

1596
01:45:34,314 --> 01:45:36,315
between who's on stage
and who's in the crowd,

1597
01:45:36,316 --> 01:45:39,315
but not really.

1598
01:48:26,730 --> 01:48:29,465
l fucking loved it.
We were two rows from the front.

1599
01:48:29,466 --> 01:48:31,067
lt was fucking incredible.

1600
01:48:31,068 --> 01:48:32,802
-This was my fifth show.
-24.

1601
01:48:32,803 --> 01:48:34,402
-61 .
-54.

1602
01:48:34,403 --> 01:48:37,403
153.

1603
01:48:38,875 --> 01:48:40,475
Pearl Jam are a band for the fans.

1604
01:48:40,476 --> 01:48:42,476
''lf you love us, stick with us,''

1605
01:48:42,477 --> 01:48:43,911
and we've stuck with them
all the way,

1606
01:48:43,912 --> 01:48:46,480
because what we get out of them
is overwhelming.

1607
01:48:46,481 --> 01:48:48,616
These guys flew
from Bucharest this morning.

1608
01:48:48,617 --> 01:48:49,716
Budapest.

1609
01:48:49,717 --> 01:48:50,984
We came from Denver.

1610
01:48:50,985 --> 01:48:52,352
-Townsville, Australia.
-London, England.

1611
01:48:52,353 --> 01:48:53,620
Took two weeks off from my job,

1612
01:48:53,621 --> 01:48:56,621
and traveled to nine shows in a row
last tour.

1613
01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:07,298
There's not another band like them.

1614
01:49:07,299 --> 01:49:09,500
Everybody rode the whole
crest of a wave with Ten,

1615
01:49:09,501 --> 01:49:11,435
and it was just the thing to be into,

1616
01:49:11,436 --> 01:49:13,170
but after that, they've
come out a lot stronger,

1617
01:49:13,171 --> 01:49:14,271
because they didn't play the game.

1618
01:49:14,272 --> 01:49:16,706
They took on Ticketmaster.
They were pissed off

1619
01:49:16,707 --> 01:49:17,807
that people were getting ripped off,

1620
01:49:17,808 --> 01:49:18,775
and they took on the man,

1621
01:49:18,776 --> 01:49:21,775
and they could have lost,
but they didn't.

1622
01:49:23,713 --> 01:49:26,713
l think this band
is really only beginning.

1623
01:53:46,409 --> 01:53:47,509
There was a rumor

1624
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:49,109
that it was sort of gonna be
like The Kids Are Alright.

1625
01:53:49,110 --> 01:53:52,110
That would be a misconception,
because The Kids Are Alright

1626
01:53:52,747 --> 01:53:55,215
is really super genius,

1627
01:53:55,216 --> 01:53:58,215
and what we're gonna put out
is gonna be really super us.

1628
01:54:05,525 --> 01:54:08,525
Hey, Josh. How's it going?

1629
01:54:09,429 --> 01:54:12,428
Fuck you, Kevin.

1630
01:54:15,634 --> 01:54:17,468
They stay true to fans as well,

1631
01:54:17,469 --> 01:54:19,068
about them releasing
the bootlegs of their albums

1632
01:54:19,069 --> 01:54:21,771
so that other people can't bootleg
them and make a sly penny off it,

1633
01:54:21,772 --> 01:54:24,772
and that's clever shit.

1634
01:54:39,621 --> 01:54:41,922
We're not filming this conversation,
are we?

1635
01:54:41,923 --> 01:54:44,923
Yes, we are.

1636
01:55:06,911 --> 01:55:09,911
Now you're back.
Why do you keep doing it?

1637
01:55:29,965 --> 01:55:31,499
l don't know whether they realize

1638
01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:34,500
exactly how much they have given
to us, the fans.